ESS VT3 - LC built engine failure in 2,000 miles

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by Gfunk720

I can't figure out the point you are trying to make? Are you defending the OP or just bashing ESS?

Drew has been very open about having challenges and issues with his setup, and has addressed them in a timely manor without major failure. The OP seems to have been less concerned with issues that may have been leading up to his failure and still tried to beat the crap out of the car despite being advised not to.

Are you still hung up on the fact that they wouldn't install gauges for him?

Is that what the op told you? He had a 650hp kit in the past that ran more than 60k miles.

The op comes across to me as a loyal guy, after his first engine failure, He kept the failure quiet and went back to ESS, and similarly for his second engine failure.

More loyal than say a guy who gets a tuning co. To replace his engine after his first failure then runs to their competition.

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by US///M3

Is that what the op told you? He had a 650hp kit in the past that ran more than 60k miles.

The op comes across to me as a loyal guy, after his first engine failure, He kept the failure quiet and went back to ESS, and similarly for his second engine failure.

More loyal than say a guy who gets a tuning co. To replace his engine after his first failure then runs to their competition.

I had an agreement with them to replace the motor if it blew, what transpired after was none of your business, I could care less what your take is on it, but the reason for you posting in this thread is becoming quite clear. So if your stock M3 blows up and BMW replaces it, but you didn't like how it all went down and you went out and got an AMG are you being disloyal, of course not. The problem with you is you speak in hyperbole, exaggeration, you know little about the facts, you are quick to judge based on what tuning company someone may run on their car and you certainly have no clue about FI on the S65 or what my situation was, why would you bring this up anyway, is this some desperate attempt to make you appear that you stand on some moral high ground?

[MPowerZ32]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

I had an agreement with them to replace the motor if it blew, what transpired after was none of your business, I could care less what your take is on it, but the reason for you posting in this thread is becoming quite clear. So if your stock M3 blows up and BMW replaces it, but you didn't like how it all went down and you went out and got an AMG are you being disloyal, of course not. The problem with you is you speak in hyperbole, exaggeration, you know little about the facts, you are quick to judge based on what tuning company someone may run on their car and you certainly have no clue about FI on the S65 or what my situation was, why would you bring this up anyway, is this some desperate attempt to make you appear that you stand on some moral high ground?

lol. Well said.

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

I had an agreement with them to replace the motor if it blew, what transpired after was none of your business, I could care less what your take is on it, but the reason for you posting in this thread is becoming quite clear. So if your stock M3 blows up and BMW replaces it, but you didn't like how it all went down and you went out and got an AMG are you being disloyal, of course not. The problem with you is you speak in hyperbole, exaggeration, you know little about the facts, you are quick to judge based on what tuning company someone may run on their car and you certainly have no clue about FI on the S65 or what my situation was, why would you bring this up anyway, is this some desperate attempt to make you appear that you stand on some moral high ground?

You made my point, the guy who stays with BMW after two engines he paid for is more loyal than say a guy who gets one engine fixed under warranty by BMW then runs to M-B.

I brought this up because you'd think a tuning co. Would reward a long time loyal customer by making sure his kit comes complete with all that's needed for safe op.

I said "more loyal", not "disloyal".

[DLSJ5]

Originally Posted by US///M3

You made my point, the guy who stays with BMW after three engines he paid for is more loyal than say a guy who gets one engine fixed under warranty then runs to M-B.

I brought this up because you'd think a tuning co. Would reward a long time loyal customer by making sure his kit comes complete with all that's needed for safe op.

I said "more loyal", not "disloyal".

Fine, I have no problem with you making those points or feeling the way you do, but don't bring my situation into it as if it's the same thing, it's NOT, or simply because you and I have not had a cordial discourse here on a car forum or you don't care for ESS, you don't know me or what took place, you live on the other side of the world in another country, lol.

For someone who doesn't know the facts, I could see how you might infer or say what you did, or if you have a bias, facts don't mean much, you tend to believe what you want too or add your own ideas of what the facts are. My past situation with that engine happened years ago, that company and I are cordial now. I have no desire to go into specific details just because you brought it up to make a point, but I was lucky, others not so lucky, friends of mine not so lucky in this type of situation. I have not once come into this thread and blasted Sergei, I feel bad for him, regardless of what he did or didn't do.

[Mit_Boost]

Originally Posted by US///M3

Yes, that's why I said I dont want to play russian roulette with my s65 by installing the vt3.

So WHY are YOU posting in this thread?

Nothing you've posted has been based on data or basic tuning/aftermarket performance..... All you've done since your 1st post on Page 1 is post garbage, pick battles with the ESS reps & Drew, and place blame on ESS because the OP's engine detonated.

Facts: The OP allegedly has increased boost beyond what ESS has tune & designed the kit for. This has resulted in 2 stock motor failures. The OP then decided to go VT3/Low Compression, the exact same setup that Drew has been running reliably for 2 yrs/15k miles. The OP failed to have the recommended gauges installed, rushed ESS through their tuning and the vehicle was prematurely released back into his possession. Shortly after, it was discovered that the fuel system not operating 100%, compression was off on a cylinder, a spark plug was toasted, AND the car had surging with anything beyond 1/4 throttle (so it is load related). The OP continued to drive the car in this condition without gauges, eventually leading to the engine's failure.


IF the VT3 (just like ANY car, stock or modified) is run "healthy", the car will run reliably & strong. BUT if the car isn't taken care of or run with known "problems", it doesn't matter if it's an S65, S54, or 2JZ you're now driving a bomb.

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by DLSJ5

Fine, I have no problem with you making those points or feeling the way you do, but don't bring my situation into it as if it's the same thing, it's NOT, or simply because you and I have not had a cordial discourse here on a car forum or you don't care for ESS, you don't know me or what took place, you live on the other side of the world in another country, lol.

For someone who doesn't know the facts, I could see how you might infer or say what you did, or if you have a bias, facts don't mean much, you tend to believe what you want too or add your own ideas of what the facts are. My past situation with that engine happened years ago, that company and I are cordial now. I have no desire to go into specific details just because you brought it up to make a point, but I was lucky, others not so lucky, friends of mine not so lucky in this type of situation. I have not once come into this thread and blasted Sergei, I feel bad for him, regardless of what he did or didn't do.

Actually ESS first brought you up, but fair enough.

[kiloil]

Originally Posted by US///M3

Actually ESS first brought you up, but fair enough.

Huh? What are you talking about?

[Soorena]

Originally Posted by filinm3

3,000$ for shipping + 1500$ for sleeves + 2500-3000$ for new pistons and rings ( as i understand) + labor + misc parts = $9000 total for the block itself and 8-9 weeks... Afterwards would pay 1000$ for other misc parts to assemble the engine and 2000$ for labor, ie 12000$ would cost to have the engine ready for installation...

Didn't AJ state that ESS would cover the rebuild cost?

[filinm3]

Originally Posted by Soorena

Didn't AJ state that ESS would cover the rebuild cost?

AJ did state on public that ESS would repair the engine at their cost.

In private I was told that I should pay for the cost it would take ESS to rebuild without retail margin...

Quite different stories I think... The amount I indicated is the actual cost in that case. No way, thanks.

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by filinm3

AJ did state on public that ESS would repair the engine at their cost.

In private I was told that I should pay for rebuild the cost it would take for ESS to rebuild without retail margin...

Quite different stories I think... The amount I indicated is the actual cost in that case. No way, thanks.

If I were you at this juncture, I'd use a different co. for the fourth build.

I saw this at a shop...

“A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not dependent on us—we are dependent on him. He is not an outsider in our business—he is a part of it. We are not doing him a favour by serving him . . . he is doing us a favour by giving us the opportunity to do so.”

[filinm3]

Originally Posted by US///M3

If I were you at this juncture, I'd use a different co. for the fourth build.

I saw this at a shop...

“A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not dependent on us—we are dependent on him. He is not an outsider in our business—he is a part of it. We are not doing him a favour by serving him . . . he is doing us a favour by giving us the opportunity to do so.”

Fair enough....

I should tell you that irrespective of anything I am in love with ESS like a girl loves a boy just because....)))))

And I still want this car be supported by ESS in future... I want the car to come back on the road ASAP... But as of now I am simply fucked off by ESS... Hope, AJ would change his mind and come back for cooperation

As for current rebuild, I am dependent on AJ in order of those 2 pistons from Mahle cause he is the only person who could order them... Hope, he would do this... Otherwise, shitty story from any perspective.

[Mit_Boost]

Originally Posted by filinm3

Fair enough....

I should tell you that irrespective of anything I am in love with ESS like a girl loves a boy just because....)))))

And I still want this car be supported by ESS in future... I want the car to come back on the road ASAP... But as of now I am simply fucked off by ESS... Hope, AJ would change his mind and come back for cooperation

As for current rebuild, I am dependent on AJ in order of those 2 pistons from Mahle cause he is the only person who could order them... Hope, he would do this... Otherwise, shitty story from any perspective.

OP, at the end of the day it's 100% your choice. I will say if you're 100% dead set on ESS, then you should probably stop dumping on them and handle this matter privately. But as it appears you want to be the all fastest E9x M3, there are other companies who offer higher power S65 setups (this is reality, ESS stops with the Vortech V3 so I'm not starting a tuner pissing contest) -- Specifically Gintani & Active Autowerke have both built Low Compression S65s with Vortech YSI blowers, which are probably putting them both in the solid 800 WHP area on pump gas.

Another option is to contact a few "race" shops that have BMW experience to build you a one-off setup. EX: VAC Motorsports, who is more than capable of building you a one off setup to your liking -- Stroker Motor, Supercharged, Turbocharged, etc. I'm sure there's a few others, but at the end of the day the S65 is a good old fashion, Port-Injection, High Revving, 4L V8, the Alusil composition is the biggest variable (can be addressed with some block reinforcement to avoid any flex, a billet block is another option). Any reputable fabricator & tuner should be able to build you the setup you desire (including Total Race since I know you're from Russia).

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by filinm3

Fair enough....

I should tell you that irrespective of anything I am in love with ESS like a girl loves a boy just because....)))))

And I still want this car be supported by ESS in future... I want the car to come back on the road ASAP... But as of now I am simply fucked off by ESS... Hope, AJ would change his mind and come back for cooperation

As for current rebuild, I am dependent on AJ in order of those 2 pistons from Mahle cause he is the only person who could order them... Hope, he would do this... Otherwise, shitty story from any perspective.

Yeah, it's called the Battered Woman Syndrome.

[euro*]

to the OP, are you considering Gintani twin turbo kit at all?

if your looking to build Russias fastest M3, that might be a better option.

[filinm3]

Originally Posted by v_bimmer

to the OP, are you considering Gintani twin turbo kit at all?

if your looking to build Russias fastest M3, that might be a better option.

I've already paid full pocket to ESS for VT3 project... As of today the car is staying with blown engine. What to do? Money are not unlimited...

If ESS decided to return me lets say $15k, I could consider going another big project... But as of now I should do something with my current situation and repair the engine but it appears that simple changing of that 2 pistons and bearings could not guarantee that the engine would not blow again simply due to shitty tolerances... Do not know what to do really...

[Superfly_M3]

I wonder if this is OP.

... During break in

[filinm3]

Originally Posted by Superfly_M3

I wonder if this is OP.

... During break in

Bad guess

This is OP, but in 2009 after installation of vt2-575.

Better to take the mouth closed when do not know the subject

[Superfly_M3]

^^^ j/k OP.
It sucks to be in your shoes. I don't think ESS will return you $15 or any money for that matter. Good luck though

S. E. N. S. E. O.F. H.U.M.O.R.

[regular guy]

Originally Posted by Mit_Boost

OP, at the end of the day it's 100% your choice. I will say if you're 100% dead set on ESS, then you should probably stop dumping on them and handle this matter privately. But as it appears you want to be the all fastest E9x M3, there are other companies who offer higher power S65 setups (this is reality, ESS stops with the Vortech V3 so I'm not starting a tuner pissing contest) -- Specifically Gintani & Active Autowerke have both built Low Compression S65s with Vortech YSI blowers, which are probably putting them both in the solid 800 WHP area on pump gas.

I'd like to see any max RPM dyno's from either of these two YSI builds that show anything near 800 whp? Not saying they don't exist, but am saying they haven't been posted here before. I know of one dyno that ends at 7700 RPMs that was posted here. To me that's only a proof of concept without max RPM, not an actual proven project/product. Others are free to disagree. I've never seen a dyno for the AA project and would like to see one posted.

[US///M3]

Originally Posted by Superfly_M3

^^^ j/k OP.
It sucks to be in your shoes. I don't think ESS will return you $15 or any money for that matter. Good luck though

S. E. N. S. E. O.F. H.U.M.O.R.

I'll be more than glad to paypal the op $15.

[Superfly_M3]

Originally Posted by Superfly_M3

^^^ j/k OP.
It sucks to be in your shoes. I don't think ESS will return you $15K or any money for that matter. Good luck though

S. E. N. S. E. O.F. H.U.M.O.R.

^^^ Fixed for ya