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12-26-2010, 10:58 AM | #222 | |
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12-26-2010, 11:08 AM | #223 | |
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Thank you BMW M for having spoilt my Christmas with the 1SMC WITHOUT (worthy M) engine and and the coming M3 WITHOUT (worthy M) engine.
South, when I got the new that the M3 E92 was coming with a 400 HP V8 engine, derived from the M5, I did not doubt it would be a true M. I think before X5 M and X6 M there was never any question of true, not true M car. This is something new in history of M. Why can't the M3 then follow the concept of the 911 GT3 Hybrid? This would be a win/win. |
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It is about balance, performance, engine and looks... Yes engine is part of the performance, but I think the engine is so important, that it has to be considered seperatly. It doesn't matter how much torque or horse power you have. High revving proper NA is always better.
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It is neither wise nor accurate to extrapolate from common block to common everything. That is simply false.
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12-26-2010, 06:23 PM | #227 |
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Nice signature image Levi... I know that is going to piss off the BMW folks reading here...
That being said I am definitely more positive about the 1M than you are.
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12-26-2010, 06:42 PM | #228 | |
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How do you guys not see this? Cheers, e46e92
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12-26-2010, 06:48 PM | #229 | |
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Tell me again how BMW hasn't completely destroyed ///M and completely lost their way? I PRAY EVERY DAY that the decisions BMW has made regarding ///M starts killing sales....but it won't, cause there are plenty of soccer moms getting railed by some rich husband who just needs to reassurance in his garage of how cool and successful he is. Cheers, e46e92
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12-26-2010, 07:17 PM | #230 | ||
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As to the FI engine, there are two reasons to not like them (IMO), throttle response and redline. BMW will take care of the first one but not the second one. Guess everybody will have to decide for themselves if that alone is a deal breaker. BTW: It appears that Porsche has lost it too. Rumor has it that they'll show a concept car sporting a bi-turbo V8 in Detroit. Quote:
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Kay Segler needs to go away. He's destroying the brand.
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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12-26-2010, 07:38 PM | #232 | |
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This from someone who has never owned a Porsche, but who can't see how he will avoid it in the future. Cheers, e46e92
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Do note above you are describing plenty of P and F car owners as well. If you are waiting for M sales to drop and M to become a less viable division of BMW I think you better be prepared to wait for a long time...
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That is a good point although I think the engine as a system is a much better way to realize the large number of differences that will exist. After all I think e46e92love's point was that non M cars and their corresponding numbered M car will get "essentially" the same engine.
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Sorry mate if the sarcasm of that post hasn't been clear enough.
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One (somewhat subjective, yes) point to be made here is that the S54B32 in particular takes the production I6 and provides a segue into the racing I6. IOW, you build the race motor using the motor out of the production sports car as a starting point.
Same thing with the S65 today, and many engines over the long and storied history of BMW M. We don't know for sure yet, but it seems less likely that this will hold in the future, although I'm the first to admit that turbo racing motors in spec series are on the rise. Still, I just don't necessarily think we are going to see, for example, a 550hp turbo "P55" I6 being used for race spec M3 in LeMans, DTM, FIA, etc. Seems more likely they will either go small displacement (2L - 2.5L) turbo four, or stick with high revving naturally aspirated motors. |
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