Track forum general chit chat.

[StripclubDJ]

Just do to add coolers .



God speed yall

[omgzirra_exe]

Mishimoto that's a lot of work.

[kolosy]

is ferodo phasing out the ds1.11? i need a new set of rears (have a set of fronts sitting on a shelf), and the rears in DS1.11 are $100 more than the DSUNO. looking at the coefficient of friction chart, the DSUNO is comparable or even a little better. any issue with mixing?

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by kolosy

is ferodo phasing out the ds1.11? i need a new set of rears (have a set of fronts sitting on a shelf), and the rears in DS1.11 are $100 more than the DSUNO. looking at the coefficient of friction chart, the DSUNO is comparable or even a little better. any issue with mixing?

the dsuno is more aggressive than the ds1.11, do not put the dsuno in the rear. pair the ds1.11 up front with a ds2500 in the rear.

[kolosy]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

the dsuno is more aggressive than the ds1.11, do not put the dsuno in the rear. pair the ds1.11 up front with a ds2500 in the rear.

is that a more stable setup than 1.11 all around? i'm not looking to save a buck on brakes (!), but also if it's not needed then i can spend that elsewhere

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by kolosy

is that a more stable setup than 1.11 all around? i'm not looking to save a buck on brakes (!), but also if it's not needed then i can spend that elsewhere

1.11 is an endurance pad, and might be just fine front/rear. I’ve never ran that setup, but I have tried the 1.11 with the 2500 in the rear. It was ok.

[TheMechanic]

Thompson pic

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by turbo_joe

Sounds like you were at a BMW CCA event, they love spec e46 haha. I absolutely love the e92 on track and you can get the weight down a good bit as you turn in more into a track car. I run GTS3 with nasa, locally we have one other e92, a bunch of e46 M3s with different swaps or stock motor, and a couple e36s with swaps as well.

Almost everyone in the MA paddock (ok, only a few) keep steering away from the E9x and the number 1 thing is weight.

I still question; why do folks not commit to full race prepped E9X M3s?

I know they get spanked in SCCA due to being classed as T1, and it was a spank fest because all the V8 torque wonders......and this before SCCA allowed GT4 cars in


But, outside of TT, I do not see much being prepped for W2W. Outside of weight, I cannot see another reason why no one preps one


I know I know, The E46/36 combo is fully figured and the easy button but...??

[amg6975]

At this point I think for the price the F8x is the better option. There are are bazillion of them around, they make power super easy, same ballpark on weight, more reliable?

I just talked to Bimmerworld about something and they said they're turning all of their focus towards the F and G series cars because no one is buying anything for the older ones any more.

[Cmassey3]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

Almost everyone in the MA paddock (ok, only a few) keep steering away from the E9x and the number 1 thing is weight.

I still question; why do folks not commit to full race prepped E9X M3s?

I know they get spanked in SCCA due to being classed as T1, and it was a spank fest because all the V8 torque wonders......and this before SCCA allowed GT4 cars in


But, outside of TT, I do not see much being prepped for W2W. Outside of weight, I cannot see another reason why no one preps one


I know I know, The E46/36 combo is fully figured and the easy button but...??

Part of me thinks it might come down to the financials. A prepped E36 M3 is $25-$30k, prepped E46 M3 Is $45-$55k, and the fully prepped E92 M3s are $70-$120k. At that level, factory race cars become an option like an M235i racing or old 911 Cup. F82 M4 GT4s and Cup M2s are still $130-$150k, but they'll get there eventually.

My other theory might have more holes in it, but I think the E92 M3 is the tipping point for where the speed potential goes beyond the risk level for what most HPDE drivers/grassroots racers are comfortable with. Granted, this is speaking in terms of a GT club-sport style car. Street trim cars aren't pushed as hard.This also comes from a general perspective and not one within the SCCA classes since I've not run with that group before and haven't used class potential to gauge a track car purchase.

My inspiration for getting into the platform was seeing the sheer number of them in Nurburging videos, it seems very popular there. If I could get into any chassis of my pick, I'd go with a G82 M4.

[omgzirra_exe]

Originally Posted by RalliartRsX

I know I know, The E46/36 combo is fully figured and the easy button but...??

i mean personally if i had to do it... with a e9X chassis in general I'd just go buy a E9X 328i/335i (if you wanted boost) and get it down to 2500-2700lbs easily before race weight with driver and fuel.

for W2W... it's just cheaper... to run a base 3 series over the M3. M3 parts are getting hard to obtain these days.. so i can't imagine W2W being something considered.

although I do think the M3 would be good in Endurance Series.

i also do keep analytics of money spent on my car.. and yeah... it's not a good number compared to what you can do with a E36/E46...

[Cmassey3]

Originally Posted by omgzirra_exe

i mean personally if i had to do it... with a e9X chassis in general I'd just go buy a E9X 328i/335i (if you wanted boost) and get it down to 2500-2700lbs easily before race weight with driver and fuel.

for W2W... it's just cheaper... to run a base 3 series over the M3. M3 parts are getting hard to obtain these days.. so i can't imagine W2W being something considered.

although I do think the M3 would be good in Endurance Series.

i also do keep analytics of money spent on my car.. and yeah... it's not a good number compared to what you can do with a E36/E46...

So the E90 VLN cars? https://www.ringfreaks.de/cars/bmw-e90-330i/

[omgzirra_exe]

Originally Posted by Cmassey3

So the E90 VLN cars? https://www.ringfreaks.de/cars/bmw-e90-330i/

yuuuuup but there is still 300lbs they can shave off those cars if it wasn't for the street legal part haha

[CamasM3e93]

Originally Posted by omgzirra_exe

I'm sort of in the same boat and I did make a massive purchase last year by buying Nitrons... but I also haven't met one of my goals since owning this car, which is getting it into the 1:55 club at Buttonwillow. Once I improve as a driver and actually fix the things that need to be addressed, I hope to achieve that goal. After that's done, I plan to buy an ESS G1 and end up with my "ideal" street car to drive the 10 miles to work.

I also just have a fixation with the 996 C2 and the 996 RSR, and I want one to replace the M3 as a track car as I become more financially available. (The M96 would be getting tossed out the window and replaced with a different engine... Perhaps a K24 Turbo swap? With a RSR body kit?? long term project)

But I'm with you; I would rather have a G80 M3 as the ideal replacement if I'm going for the dual duty car solution. However, since my wife is looking to get her own car soon, I won't have to worry about buying another daily driver.

but I also have 2 other projects that need to be done... my IS300 1JZ swap and my FC RX7 project with my father (he owned 3 along with his brother) an unfortunate dilemma

I would let that obsession go. I tracked my c2 996 a couple times and it was a dog. Of course it wasn’t purpose built like the car on the link but my take is the model would need a lot of work to keep up with modern cars on the track. I wish my area’s track groups had an experienced but pokey car run group. Sharing space with 600hp 911 turbos with 4 wheel steering against a stock c2 996, i’m going to spend a lot of my session giving point bys otherwise.

[omgzirra_exe]

Originally Posted by CamasM3e93

I would let that obsession go. I tracked my c2 996 a couple times and it was a dog. Of course it wasn’t purpose built like the car on the link but my take is the model would need a lot of work to keep up with modern cars on the track. I wish my area’s track groups had an experienced but pokey car run group. Sharing space with 600hp 911 turbos with 4 wheel steering against a stock c2 996, i’m going to spend a lot of my session giving point bys otherwise.

It's not just the performance that I'm obsessed with, it's the overall look of the car. I'd instantly swap out the M96 engine and install a K series engine. That's the appeal to me—a 2600lb chassis with the option to swap in an 11K rpm boosted K24 engine, rear engine mounted and have all the fun in the world. Plus, adding an RSR body kit would be the DREAM.

If I were to track a non-swapped 996, it's the 996 Turbo all day.

I watch this video once a day for the serotonin

(I can't afford a 996 GT3, and I'm not a big fan of the .2 front end.)

[CamasM3e93]

Originally Posted by omgzirra_exe

It's not just the performance that I'm obsessed with, it's the overall look of the car. I'd instantly swap out the M96 engine and install a K series engine. That's the appeal to me—a 2600lb chassis with the option to swap in an 11K rpm boosted K24 engine, rear engine mounted and have all the fun in the world. Plus, adding an RSR body kit would be the DREAM.

If I were to track a non-swapped 996, it's the 996 Turbo all day.

I watch this video once a day for the serotonin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVEiTcifyNk

(I can't afford a 996 GT3, and I'm not a big fan of the .2 front end.)

Lol I see where you’re coming from. I traded the c2 for a 996tt in November. Don’t plan to track it but I sure could see it doing fine in an aggressive run group. I thought it was a pretty great car until you sent that video link, lol.

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by Cmassey3

Part of me thinks it might come down to the financials. A prepped E36 M3 is $25-$30k, prepped E46 M3 Is $45-$55k, and the fully prepped E92 M3s are $70-$120k. At that level, factory race cars become an option like an M235i racing or old 911 Cup. F82 M4 GT4s and Cup M2s are still $130-$150k, but they'll get there eventually.

My other theory might have more holes in it, but I think the E92 M3 is the tipping point for where the speed potential goes beyond the risk level for what most HPDE drivers/grassroots racers are comfortable with. Granted, this is speaking in terms of a GT club-sport style car. Street trim cars aren't pushed as hard.This also comes from a general perspective and not one within the SCCA classes since I've not run with that group before and haven't used class potential to gauge a track car purchase.

My inspiration for getting into the platform was seeing the sheer number of them in Nurburging videos, it seems very popular there. If I could get into any chassis of my pick, I'd go with a G82 M4.

Have you seen the 6 figure metal that shows up to do Novice laps? Yeah you're second theory doesn't hold water (and why I refuse to instruct unless it's a known entity).

GT500 cobras and turbo Porsches can easily eclipse 150 to 160 if they get a good run out of turn 10 at summit....without a cage

Even the recent no point by group was an absolute shit show for the first few groups......Joey can attest

But yeah, a properly prepped e9x is probably a 60k build.and increased consumables. Also the V8 is a tad harder to work with if you have a change a sensor. However not by much as once the plenum is off (5 mins) just about everything in the engine bay is accessible....

But still. I see some $$$$ builds in the paddock but very few e9x m3 ....and the few that are built either stay for sale due to high asking price or....just sits.

[kolosy]

from yesterday at blackhawk farms

dude walked away, no injuries. makes me reconsider a roll bar.

[omgzirra_exe]

Originally Posted by kolosy

from yesterday at blackhawk farms

dude walked away, no injuries. makes me reconsider a roll bar.

yeeesh snap oversteer?

[Ximian]

All I know is that if I plan on going faster than I do now, I'd rather be in a factory made race car. GT3 Cup cars are getting pretty cheap.

[kolosy]

Originally Posted by omgzirra_exe

yeeesh snap oversteer?

he thinks he dropped a wheel and then yeah.. hard to tell though.

[RalliartRsX]

Originally Posted by Ximian

All I know is that if I plan on going faster than I do now, I'd rather be in a factory made race car. GT3 Cup cars are getting pretty cheap.

This

However people forget; cheap to buy in. Expensive to stay in

Cup cars aren't necessarily cheap to maintain as everything times out

I did some SSM this past weekend and I understand the vibe. 40 car field. Cheap thrills. Slow as fuck. But it was a party

Hate the amount of contact however.....