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06-22-2011, 04:44 PM | #177 | |
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BMW can make any car they want, fwd, awd, turbo and they can put m badges to whichever model they want. Just please give us NA engined light weight 2/4 seater coupes like M3 CSL, Z4 M Coupe etc... Quote:
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06-22-2011, 04:49 PM | #178 |
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I welcome M division spreading their wings. They need to be more like AMG in their product offerings while still keeping the M series more hardcore and the xM series more mainstream.
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I will say Porsche is a master at squeezing every last dollar out of a fading platform with endless parts bin "specials", some cosmetic like the 911 GTS, Cayenne GTS, Black Edition 911 and Boxster, Cayman R, Boxster Spyder, all the Porsche Design Editions, retro Carreras... and some with teeth like the 997.2 GT3 RS 4.0. Something BMW seems to be paying attention to.
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C&D just drove the 991 and gave it a good review, but all is not well among the faithful, which is typical for any new Porsche. The new car will be a little lighter, -55#, but gets a wheelbase increase to fit a mid-lifecycle hybrid system. It's bigger, has a Panamera like interior instead of a C-GT/918 sports car inspired cockpit, gets a huge (read: heavy) sunroof and a more nanny-ish PSM, their DSC. The reduction in low speed understeer will be welcome however. The 'ring times seem good. Hopefully this will drop 997.1 GT3 RS prices into the low $80's in 2012, I'd love to have a green or orange one. An excerpt and thread from Rennlist, http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...the-991-a.html
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While I agree that they're doing the AMG thing with the SUVs, I have to disagree and say that the more M cars we have, the more special M3s we'll get.
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It does suck there will not be a new M3 sedan. M5 is just too big and bulky, so I'll have to look at other brands for a fast, sporty sedan. - Audi, Caddilac, MB. Sucks.
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It used to be cool to drive an M car - M3 / M5. They were cars for enthusiasts How often do you see a chick driving an M3? Now they will have an M badge on anything to make a buck. Yes, people will buy, but it will be a different demographic than the original enthusiasts. An ///M Truck (SUV)? Come on. Seriously? Their customer will change, and ultimately, the brand will diminish its value. Just think what we would be saying if GM put a "V" badge on EVERY GM car? It would look silly and we would all be ripping on them.So why is it ok for BMW to put an M badge on every car? It dilutes the image of the Motorsport brand. Cant argue that point.
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There are lots of women who are enthusiasts and better drivers than a lot of men. They may be a minority but there are still many of them. Also, my wife drives mine from time to time... she isn't an enthusiast but there is something sexy about an attractive lady driving a car like an M3.
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The E30 M3 was the only M designed to race. So its really the only true "Motorsport" car. The E36 M3 didnt even have an M motor, just tuned for the U.S.
However they kept M to an "enthusiast only" formula - manual trans, high revving motor, rear drive, tight suspension, etc. Most people didnt like these cars, so it "filtered out" most folks. I found this to be cool Now that they put the badge on a SUV with a auto and AWD, any soccer mom can drive an M around town. This is the biggest downfall and diluting the brand. It used to be cool to be part of the "M" club. Now its not a club you DONT want to be in since your GRANDMA can have her M car too They probably will do a M wagon - with some 85 year old lady driving it around with room for her walker lol GO BMW! I still love my M3 and think BMW has great cars, however they've lost the coolness factor just like the Nirvana analogy used earlier. I"ll probably look to a Porsche model as my next car.
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Who cares about the mainstream / cop-out BMWs. Did the Cayenne not save Porsche from a horrible financial situation? As long as the M3 continues to satisfy us as enthusiasts, who cares how BMW makes their money!! If it's reputation you're looking for, it already sucks from owning a BMW in the first place (we get the douchebag stereotype as you are aware).
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