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I sense that you prefer MT, but no need to call the others' women... haha. I personally haven't decided. The fun factor of MT is a real consideration. But I wouldn't take it that far. I'm sure you use other technology to assist in your daily life. At this point, it is impossible that you don't. Unless you build a fire to cook your food, wash your clothes in a nearby river, and do math by hand, then you have succumbed to technology in every other aspect of your life. Why resist DSG? Just my take. MT is fun tho... |
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04-24-2007, 09:45 AM | #69 |
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I've never driven an SMG before but I'd like to try... see what its like compared to a manual...
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04-24-2007, 02:18 PM | #71 | |
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There are alotttt of other things you could do with that amount of money tho... Back on topic. If DSG diminishes the amount of fun, then following this logic, it would defeat the purpose of buying the car in the first place. You'd end up spending all that money for a car that does not deliver the fun you hoped for. Then you will regret your purchase. I will reserve judgment until I test drive both. I personally don't care which is 0.2 sec faster, MT or DSG. I will pick the one that is the most fun to drive. If the DSG's 0.2 sec advantage causes it to be more fun, then it will be DSG. If not, manual for me. |
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04-25-2007, 01:51 AM | #73 | |
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So the solution is for someone to invent a system where you have a third pedal and gear lever to shift when you want, but when you don't push a button to switch to paddle-shifting DSG. Perfect!
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that is a good solution. i'd pay the extra money for the parallel second tranny. but i'm betting the weight penalty would be significant.
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04-25-2007, 05:11 PM | #75 |
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according to this source posted before: the SMG will not cost extra...however DSG is another story..
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2007-bmw...ng-leaked.html -------- hmm just noticed the date on the comments...looks like the M is gonna cost ya hah Last edited by nusevad; 04-25-2007 at 05:30 PM.. |
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04-27-2007, 11:30 PM | #76 |
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Isn't it interesting how we can act like children when it comes to cars, even worse, transmission choices. Does it somehow prove how intelligent we are. Why are we trying to sell our preference to someone else? What is the pay off? I am not aware of a commission. Responding to this proves I need more diversity in my life. Though it's great entertainment for neurotics.
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You like MT. I like to hear people's opinions before I make mine. I argued in this thread and I don't even have a preference. It's simply humorous to me, the resistance of MT lovers to adopt DSG, even tho they adopt technology in every other facet of their daily lives. Nobody would opt for a BMW 8track over cd/mp3 stereo.... IT'S INFERIOR! If you read this thread, there was not much selling of a preference, but rather debate surrounding the inconsistency of the MT loyalist philosophy. |
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04-28-2007, 05:27 PM | #79 | |
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actually, i get paid a commission.
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Convincing others what they should like is pointless, agreed. Cmon, if I bought you a cell phone, you still wouldn't use it??... But they're so handy, and useful in emergencies, and no real cons to offset all the pros. Gotta adopt that technology... Technology does not make us happier. That is what I have argued throughout. The fatal flaw in my DSG adoption argument is that by adopting DSG, it is possible that your happiness actually decreases. When you adopt other technology such as a calculator, a toaster, a washing machine, or an oven, your happiness is not diminished in any way. This is a fundamental difference. Nobody misses doing math by hand, washing clothes in a river, or making a fire to cook food. (well i like fire, but i digress). However, it is clear that ppl will miss rowing gears... The "you adopt every other technology, why not DSG?" argument is definitely trumphed by the happiness argument. period. But in one of my posts, I argued whether or not rowing gears actually makes you happy. Or if it is a fake sense of happiness that you will not care about on your death bed - A pointless challenge that provides temporary feelings of accomplishment when done well. Who knows. Its open to interpretation. Still, if MT provides any marginal satisfaction, even if miniscule, why not do it... I'm undecided as you are. |
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Odd things bring me satisfaction, such as doing a triatholon and racing (pedal)road bikes. So rowing gears is a nice work out in it's own right. |
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I was trying to say: You make great points all of them. I still wouldn't want a cell phone even if you bought me one. Why do I want to be bothered by a call. It can wait 99% of the time. I don't even answer the phone at home. Our society seemed to do just fine through the ages when no one had a cell phones |
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On the other hand, you can make calls whenever, wherever. (emergencies) Basically, the cell phone can do everything the home phone can do, and some. At least keep one in the glovebox so that when you crash your M3 you can call for help... I doubt I will ever have a landline. |
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04-29-2007, 12:30 PM | #86 |
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My situation is different than most. I plan on keeping the car forever. Can't stomach the depreciation hit of almost 50% of the cars worth by the end of warranty. Although an out an out of warranty M3 is going to be insanely expensive, it won't be anything like the depreciation. One concern about DSG I mentioned earlier is reliability and cost of repair. Another concern n is that If I buy an early DSG car it will be a test mule for BMW and secondly in 10 years they will most likely have improved it substantially. With an MT car I know they have perfected it for past 50 years and there really isn't room for improvement. Once the DSG comes out, I will be looking to see if it is standard or an option, how much if an option. What the mpg difference between the two transmissions and how much faster is the DSG car particularly in the quarter mile. Finally I will be looking at reviews of both transmissions and finding out how smooth the DSG is in automatic mode. The SMG really suffered in this area. I am almost certain I won't be be given the opportunity to test drive both transmissions, which may be the most important thing of all.
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Well, you'd think so, but I'm not all that impressed with the shift quality on my MT E46 M3. An ACS short shifter and CDV deletion helped, but I've felt much slicker transmissions before. Pretty notchy and easy to hit wrong gear if you're in a hurry--and I've been driving Mts for 43 years.
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