E93 Vert WAY Underrated!!

[Poleposition]

^^

[Powerslide]

My point exactly - and for the record - I have never made the idiotic claim that an E93 is as fast around a track as the E90 or 92 - nor have I seen any other E93 owner make such a rediculous claim...

[ksoze]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I think the main motivation for the OP's post is that he's simply tired of all the negative comments from fellow board members. In case you haven't noticed, people love to hate on the E93. While the imperative facts, such as the heavier weight and lessened rigidity, and how this effects performance are pretty universally acknowledged, these effects are often times way overstated. This leads to a lot of ignorance.

[EmmDrei]

@Powerslide: Actually the claim isn't that ridiculous. I drive an M392, so I can write that.

It all depends on the type of track you're on and if the roof is up or down. I drive an e93 330d as a winter car right now and it's incredible how much better the sheer traction of the car is, with the roof down, compared to an e92. I keep joking with my friends, that if they see me with the top down in a snow storm, then it's not because I've lost my marbles, but because I need more traction. And exactly that (traction) is the is advantage a 911 has over an M3. I am certain, that an M393 with the top down can outrun an M392 on any winding road with enough hairpins because it will have a rather substantial traction advantage. Anyone that tries to belittle the M393 simply hasn't driven one and probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between fast and faster if he did.

[Kyoshi71]

Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

The point with that car is to have tons of fucking fun! In in that the car excels.

This ^

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

Well, I don't think your comment is directed at me, but since I gave my opinion, I might as well respond to that... My point was that the e93 is a great car - no question. People by the vert and don't care about the little extra weight. And yes, obviously you can take it to the track. But that is not really the point of the e93. The point with that car is to have tons of fucking fun! In in that the car excels. If you are a track nut you probably go with the e92 instead. And yes, if I had more room in the garage and my daughter skips college I'd have the GT3 RS for the track - no question. It is not the better car, but the better track car.

Serious track nuts tend to have dedicated track cars. If a track nut has an E93 it is unlikely that it is the only car or that there is any intention of tracking it.

CA

[916sp]

And who cares?

I track my E93 on a regular basis. After years of racing motorcycles and doing track days with cars, I consider myself a pretty decent driver.
I'm not even close to being able to use the full potential the M3 offers. And there are very few people I know who actually can.
So whatever it is, a E90, 92 or 93, be proud what you have and enjoy it.

[Ken37.73]

Jeese this is all very serious. No harm in a bit of banter as long as it's good natured.

[captainaudio]

Originally Posted by 916sp

And who cares?

I track my E93 on a regular basis. After years of racing motorcycles and doing track days with cars, I consider myself a pretty decent driver.
I'm not even close to being able to use the full potential the M3 offers. And there are very few people I know who actually can.
So whatever it is, a E90, 92 or 93, be proud what you have and enjoy it.

Exactly. I seriously doubt that there is anybody in this thread who when driving an E92 could come remotely close to matching the E93 track times with a pro at the wheel that were listed by the OP.

These "my car is faster than your car when both are driven by a professional" claims are somewhat pointless.

The limiting factor in track driving is almost always the driver not the car.

CA

[tlr]

Originally Posted by EmmDrei

@Powerslide: Actually the claim isn't that ridiculous. I drive an M392, so I can write that.

It all depends on the type of track you're on and if the roof is up or down. I drive an e93 330d as a winter car right now and it's incredible how much better the sheer traction of the car is, with the roof down, compared to an e92. I keep joking with my friends, that if they see me with the top down in a snow storm, then it's not because I've lost my marbles, but because I need more traction. And exactly that (traction) is the is advantage a 911 has over an M3. I am certain, that an M393 with the top down can outrun an M392 on any winding road with enough hairpins because it will have a rather substantial traction advantage. Anyone that tries to belittle the M393 simply hasn't driven one and probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between fast and faster if he did.

Haha I hadn't thought about that. E92's CF roof has nothing on E93's retractible roof in terms of lowering the center of gravity! :P

[muccels]

Haters will be haters regardless.. But thanks for the info anyway.

[ring007]

Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

What does it matter? People who buy the vert don't really track it anyway... The e93 is an awesome cruiser with the top down, it doesn't try to compete on the track and never pretended it could.

It is the perfect M car for people who like convertible and don't care about the track.

+1

[Doctor J]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I think the main motivation for the OP's post is that he's simply tired of all the negative comments from fellow board members. In case you haven't noticed, people love to hate on the E93. While the imperative facts, such as the heavier weight and lessened rigidity, and how this effects performance are pretty universally acknowledged, these effects are often times way overstated. This leads to a lot of ignorance.

Think of it like this - if a group of GT3 owner's dropped by on a regular basis to point out how slow the M3 is and how it wasn't a real sports car, the board would react in an almost unilaterally negative way. Now, would that mean that you are all insecure about your slow heavy E92 M3s? ( Off topic you say? Then suppose its a German car forum, not just an M3 forum.) Nope. Just means that needless berating of others cars just because you have something faster really ins't called for or helpful in any way. Also, if you feel so inclined, you may ask yourself what you'd think about the character of the GT3 owners and what the need to deride others (others with whom they more than likely share a lot of interests, even) says about them.

Cheers

Amen to that!

This post illustrates how polarized people are on this board.

I say ALL M3's rock. They are one of the best all rounders out there.

[persian54]

I would love to get a GT3 or a Porsche Turbo as a second car to my e93

That would be a dream

but since that'll be a while.. I'm thinking of getting a S2k. Small yet amazing to drive

[Doctor J]

Originally Posted by captainaudio

The limiting factor in track driving is almost always the driver not the car.

CA

This wise man speaks the truth.

[dhoggm3]

Originally Posted by captainaudio

Serious track nuts tend to have dedicated track cars. If a track nut has an E93 it is unlikely that it is the only car or that there is any intention of tracking it.

CA

Word.

[mtla4]

Nobody said that it was slow...but I just noted something all the cars below the e93 are 350z,clio,civic, z4 nothing spectacular. Anyhow I don't like convertible but the e93 is the only one that I would own. Very classy car