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I haven't posted in awhile but this thread got me somewhat incensed. After some spelunking online and debating myself where the M3 stands, I believe this old thread has more poignant posts regarding the M3's status as an economical supercar.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/arc.../t-347185.html
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For me the E90 M3 is the most practical, high performance automobile that I would consider owning which is within my means. With that being said, if practicality and cost were not considerations then I would go for a 997 GT3RS based on prior experience.
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If we are strictly talking about performance the M3 can give a few "Supercars" a good run for the money but in my opinion the terms "Affordable Super" and "Practical Supercar" are oxymorons.
IMO the term "Supercar" implies exclusivity and unaffordability and "Supercars" are not based in production models and are built in very limited numbers. "Supercars" are not intended to be practical, affordable or to be daily drivers and they are almost without exception not the only car in the stables of their owners. "Supercars" are generally the highest end and most expensive models of marques that are already expensive and exclusive. There is generally no atempt made to cut costs on a supercar because the manufacturers realize that the limited production will be sold out regardless of price. As an example I would say that Pagoni Zonda, Bugatti Veyron, and Ferrari Enzo qualify as Supercars and the M3. Dodge Viper, Corvette Z06 and Corvette ZR1 do not, regardless of how well they perform. CA
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The exhaust of a Porsche is euphonous...pure music to your ears. I think BMW needs to make their M model cars sound a little more aggressive. I'm not undermining the fact that the V8 in the E9x has eliminated the need for a radio, but when you compare the exhaust note of a porsche, corvette, mustang...the M3 exhaust sounds like a 12 year old boy going through puberty.
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I don't think an M3 or any 911 (except for the GT2's) is a super car.
I just think a Porsche 911 is the next step up in both performance and driving experience. A 911 GT3 or GT3 RS is not a super car IMO but is a serious track machine. When I think Super car I think Ferrari Enzo, McLaren F1, Bugatti Veyron, 911 GT2RS, Mercedes SLR McLaren and Lamborghini Murcielago....... Cars like that are super cars. |
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I just went from an '09 997.2 Carrera S to a 2011 M3 ZCP.
I had dreamed of owning a 911 since my neighbor bought one brand new in Carrera White when I was 13. I simply fell in love with that car at first sight. Before buying my Carrera I had owned many BMW's including a couple of E46 M3's. When I posed the question here about selling my Carrera S and buying an M3 it seemed that most E9X M3 owners thought I was crazy, that I was taking a step backwards. For me, however, the dream of owning a 911 was better than the actual ownership experience. No mechanical or electrical issues with the 911 and i *did* enjoy driving it very much....I simply enjoy the M3 more. The 911's are fantastic and I wouldn't discourage anyone from buying one, but you need to make sure you prefer the entire Porsche layout and overall experience versus that of the M3 before making a move. One word of advice: Whereas I love my E90 M3 with the DCT, if you go Carrera, for God's sake go manual tranny and not PDK. The 911 is a car best enjoyed with three pedals! YMMV! P.S. If you ever do buy a Carrera buy a used one like This One. In 18 months of garaged and carefully maintained ownership and with a mere 6500 miles on the odo.....with not a single chip or scratch.....my '09 C2S went from its sticker price of just over $95K (selling price of $87,500.00) to a private party selling price of $68,000.....which I was fortunate to actually get for it. Best trade in quote was $66,000.00. That's a mighty big depreciation hit if you ask me and I've done way more buying and selling than would be considered healthy by most folks!
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Although cars like the M3 and GT3 have some attiributes of a "Supercar" IMO a car that is based in a massed produced model is not a supercar, but there seems to be a variety of definitions to the term "Supercar". For instance IMO Porsce Supercars have been the 959 and the Carrera GT rather than any commercially availble varients of the 911 regardless of how potent they were. IN many resoects car like M3s and GT3s may be "better" than supercars but they lack the supercar "Panache" and exclusivity. CA
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Totally agree. Not sure why people think it is a "poor mans supercar." The car is a lot of money when you consider the average salary of people in the US.
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I think perhaps a better queestion than "Is the M3 the Poor Man's Supercar?" would have been "Does the M3 offer near supercar performance at a relatively affordable price?'
My answer to that question would be yes. CA
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1989 Supercars did.
The Porsche 959 and the higher performance variations of the Lamborghini Countach were also sub 4 second 0-60 cars from 1986. Some cars from the 1960s (notably the Ford GT40 and the Cobra Daytona Coupe) were also sub 4 second 0-60 cars. I suppose an argument could be made that they were really race cars but there were street legal versions sold and I would consider them the supercars of their era. CA
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They did. It was called the F50
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You hit the nail right on the head. I think for a car to be classified as a super car it has to be unattainable to the average person. To have super car like performance and be a super car are two different things. The GTR Below is a good example. It can run the quarter-mile quicker than a Veyron but no matter how you slice it it is no Veyron...... It is a GTR with Veyron-like performance. Anyone with a GTR and 40-50K to spend on the engine and transmission can own one. To own a Veyron you need to be someone with bottomless pockets. No matter how long me or the majority of people in the world save for a Veyron we are not gonna be able to buy one. I could however Buy a GTR tomorrow and have AMS do the Alpha 10 upgrade for me if that were what I wanted. That difference is what separates a super car from a car with super car like performance. |
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I honestly don't desire to own most supercars. Drive them for a day, sure. But own them, no. The one I'd buy is the Aston Martin Vantage V8. I could buy a pristine used one with a few grand more than what I could get for my M3, but am not going to do that. But that car is exactly what I like: elegant, aggressive, beautiful from every angle, sporty but luxurious at the same time, and the best 6MT tranny I've experienced. A friend let me drive his, and it was a great experience. Leather everywhere, and alcantara on the headliner. And QUIETER than the M3 inside . Later gang. |
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Purchasing a supercar is one thing. Paying for maintenance is another,
According to AutoCar, a routine service for a Veyron costs a whopping £12,866 ($21,033 USD), whereas an annual service for a Ferrari Enzo is £1680 ($2,746 USD). A set of new tires will run you £23,500 ($38,417 USD), and that’s because they have to be capable of handling a top speed of 253 mph. Moving forward, every fourth tire change, the Veyron’s wheels must be replaced, leaving you with a bill of £7050 ($11,525 USD) per wheel.
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