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I would argue it is not a game changer at all and well optioned it does not appear that it will be particularly affordable either. Of course that term is highly subjective but it will probably be well into the $40k range.
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An M3 coupe is 220 lbs heavier than a Mustang GT according to the Canadian industry database that I use.The Boss LS will be lighter because of the equipment deletions. Most of the LS's will be used for the track according to the Ford people and that is the car that I am refering to. An LS in Canada will probally be $55000 which is about $32000 less than a M3 coupe with the comp pck and a third of the cost of a GT3 which would be $165000 cdn with all these equipped the way that I would buy them.That is pretty game changing IMO. Mine will be used as a track day playtoy,not as an M3 replacement so my goals are probally a lot different than other people on here.The Mustang will never compete in day to day useability of the M3 nor do I expect it to. |
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A stripper M3 ZCP is $58k (less all taxes, fees, etc.) here in the US. Do you want to speculate more about the price of either the LS or non LS model in USD? I dug around a bit but couldn't find anything narrow nor concrete. I based my guess on the weight of the Boss from the GT500 which is not very light. Perhaps the LS will be considerably lighter than both the GT500 and the M3. Are their any firm curb weight figures for either variant yet? I totally agree on the "best use" of this car vs. the M3. Mustang = track toy only whereas M3 is great all arounder and good for ocassional track days.
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TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS DRIVETRAIN Layout Front engine / Rear-wheel drive TRANSMISSION Standard Six-speed manual Gear ratios 1st 3.66 2nd 2.43 3rd 1.69 4th 1.32 5th 1.00 6th 0.65 Final drive 3.73:1 SUSPENSION Front Independent MacPherson strut with Reverse-L lower control arm, 34.6 mm tubular stabilizer bar, strut tower brace, adjustable strut damping Rear 3-link solid axle with limited-slip differential, coil springs, Panhard bar, 25.0 mm stabilizer bar and adjustable shock damping BODY Construction: Unitized welded steel body, aluminum hood Final assembly location: Flat Rock, Mich. POWERTRAIN AND CHASSIS ENGINE Type High-performance 5.0L 4V Ti-VCT V8 Manufacturing location Essex Engine, Windsor, Ontario Configuration Aluminum block and heads Intake manifold Composite shell-welded with runner pack Exhaust manifold Stainless steel tubular headers Redline 7,500 rpm (est.) Valvetrain DOHC, 4 valves per cylinder, variable intake, variable camshaft timing Valve diameter/lift (mm) Intake 37/12, Exhaust 31/11 Ti-VCT operating range 50 degrees for both intake and exhaust Pistons Cast aluminum Connecting rods Forged steel Ignition High-energy coil-on-plug Bore x stroke 3.63 x 3.65 in/92.2 x 92.7 mm Displacement 302 cu. in./4,951 cc Compression ratio 11.0:1 (est.) Engine control system PCM Horsepower 440 (est.) Horsepower per liter 88 Torque 380 lb.-ft. (est.) Recommended fuel 91 octane Fuel capacity 16 gallons Fuel delivery Sequential mechanical returnless Oil capacity Eight quarts with filter (10,000-mile service interval) 2012 FORD MUSTANG BOSS 302 TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS STEERING Type Rack-and-pinion with electric power-assisted steering (EPAS) Ratio 15.9:1 Turning circle curb-to-curb 39.4 ft. (est.) BRAKES Type Four-wheel power disc brakes with 4-sensor, 4-channel anti-lock braking system (ABS), low expansion brake hoses Front 355 mm (14-in) x 36 mm vented discs, four-piston Brembo 43 mm floating aluminum calipers Rear 300 mm (11.8-in) x 19 mm vented discs, single-piston 43 mm floating iron calipers TIRE AND WHEELS (type, size) Standard 255/40ZR-19 Pirelli PZero, 285/35ZR-19 Pirelli PZero 19 x 9-in., 19 x 9.5-in. wide spoke painted aluminum wheels DIMENSIONS (inches unless otherwise noted) EXTERIOR Wheelbase 107.1 Overall length 188.1 Overall width 73.9 Overall height 55.1 Track, front/rear 61.9/62.5 INTERIOR Seating capacity 4 Front headroom 38.5 Front legroom 42.4 Front shoulder room 55.3 Front hip room 53.4 Rear headroom 34.7 Rear legroom 29.8 Rear shoulder room 51.6 Rear hip room 46.8 WEIGHTS AND CAPACITIES SAE passenger volume 83.3 cu. ft. Cargo volume 13.4 cu. ft. Maximum towing capacity Not available FUEL ECONOMY (city/highway) Six-speed manual 17/26 mpg BASE CURB WEIGHT (pounds) Manual transmission 3,631 (est.) Weight distribution (f/r) 55/45 (est.) Specifications subject to change without prior notification |
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TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS DRIVETRAIN Layout Front engine / Rear-wheel drive TRANSMISSION Standard Six-speed manual Gear ratios 1st 3.66 2nd 2.43 3rd 1.69 4th 1.32 5th 1.00 6th 0.65 Final drive 3.73:1 BODY Construction: Unitized welded steel body, aluminum hood Final assembly location: Flat Rock, Mich. POWERTRAIN AND CHASSIS ENGINE Type High-performance 5.0L 4V Ti-VCT V8 Manufacturing location Essex Engine, Windsor, Ontario Configuration Aluminum block and heads Intake manifold Composite shell-welded with runner pack Exhaust manifold Stainless steel tubular headers Redline 7,500 rpm (est.) Valvetrain DOHC, 4 valves per cylinder, variable intake, variable camshaft timing Valve diameter/lift (mm) Intake 37/12, exhaust 31/11 Ti-VCT operating range 50 degrees for both intake and exhaust Pistons Cast aluminum Connecting rods Forged steel Ignition High-energy coil-on-plug Bore x stroke 3.63 x 3.65 in/92.2 x 92.7 mm Displacement 302 cu. in./4,951 cc Compression ratio 11.0:1 (est.) Engine control system PCM Horsepower 440 (est.) Horsepower per liter 88 Torque 380 lb.-ft. (est.) Recommended fuel 91 octane Fuel capacity 16 gallons Fuel delivery Sequential mechanical returnless Oil capacity Eight quarts with filter (10,000-mile service interval) 2012 FORD MUSTANG BOSS 302 LAGUNA SECA TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS SUSPENSION Front Independent MacPherson strut with Reverse-L lower control arm, 34.6 mm tubular stabilizer bar, strut tower brace, adjustable strut damping Rear 3-link solid axle with Torsen limited-slip differential, coil springs, Panhard bar, 26.0 mm stabilizer bar, body X-brace and adjustable shock damping STEERING Type Rack-and-pinion with electric power-assisted steering (EPAS) Ratio 15.9:1 Turning circle curb-to-curb 39.4 ft. (est.) BRAKES Type Four-wheel power disc brakes with 4-sensor, 4-channel anti-lock braking system (ABS), low expansion brake hoses Front 355 mm (14 in) x 36 mm vented discs, Four-piston Brembo 43 mm floating aluminum calipers Rear 300 mm (11.8 in) x 19 mm vented discs, single-piston 43 mm floating iron calipers TIRE AND WHEELS (type, size) Standard 255/40ZR-19 Pirelli Corsa, 285/35ZR-19 Pirelli Corsa 19 x 9-in., 19 x 10-in. machined lightweight aluminum wheels DIMENSIONS (inches unless otherwise noted) EXTERIOR Wheelbase 107.1 Overall length 188.1 Overall width 73.9 Overall height 55.1 Track, front/rear 61.9/62.5 INTERIOR Seating capacity 2 Front headroom 38.5 Front legroom 42.4 Front shoulder room 55.3 Front hip room 53.4 WEIGHTS AND CAPACITIES SAE passenger volume 52.4 cu. ft. Cargo volume 13.4 cu. ft. Maximum towing capacity Not available FUEL ECONOMY (city/highway) Six-speed manual 17/26 mpg BASE CURB WEIGHT (pounds) Manual transmission 3,636 (est.) Weight distribution (f/r) 55/45 (est.) Specifications subject to change without prior notification |
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A beautiful black on black Boss.
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Oh and about the fit. fiinish...have you seen a 3 series today? The mustang is easily just as good in terms of fit and finish, and has microsoft sync, while bmw has a stupid little knob to turn for your ipod unless you get nav which is useless, when you have an iphone and garmin. |
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Yeah that is the Kona blue with white. Curb weight is 3631 for the regular 302, the LS wil be lighter.
You know mags will run the M3 against it so you'll see your results in 6 months or so. |
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The M3 curb weight is 3649 lb (1655 kg), however they have also been weighed in on a scale at around 3570. Like I mentioned this car will very likely have a slightly better power to weight ratio than the M3.
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Of course I have seen a 3 series today, I own one. And of course I have seen current gen. Mustangs and I vehemently disagree with the opinion that the fit and finish on the Mustang is anywhere close to the 3 series. Some things I consider part of fit and finish: -Exterior and interior panel fit and gap size -Wire, cable, hose routing and tidiness -Interior material finishes and quality -Paint quality -Exterior fit and gaps for lighting -General under hood tidiness And in all of these areas the 3 series is superior to the current Mustang. It is as simple as - you get what you pay for.
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The body panel gap on the Mustang is extremely tight, as the cars are built at the same high tech plant that builds the Mazda6. The paint quality for Ford in general has been rated highest among manafacturers and cable routing as well as underhood tidiness..this looks pretty tidy to me. Now there are somethings that you didn't list that I do feel are better in a 3 series than a Mustang. 1. live axle..main reason I bought the M3. Although the new Mustang with its LRA does extremely well on a smooth race track and is actually quite composed on the street, surface imperfections will cause the rear axle to dance a bit around corners if pushed hard and hitting a rut or something. Once again on a race track probably not a big deal. 2. Antennae, although they moved it to the rear the fact its not in the windshield kind of bugged me as well. 3. The hood still has a proprod.... The interior is actually pretty nice on the Mustang Premium other than the door panels which are still hard plastic but the inserts are nice. I have a feeling you haven't really looked at a 2010/11 Mustang from what you have said so far. You didn't even know the car had a LSD, which all V8 Mustangs have had since 1982. In fact the 2011 V6 has a LSD now, in a car that bases at $22k. My 07997S at $90k didn't even offer a LSD. Dave
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The fact is the Mustang is put together very well but some people just don't like Mustangs. I on the other hand would never buy a Chevy, including a ZO6 due to the fact I am a die hard Ford guy, even though I think that the current crop of Vettes are excellent vehicles. Dave
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Every mustang I've owned was bullet proof, and I rode them hard and put them up wet. For what they may lack in some peoples eyes with fit in finish is made up with tougher than a boot reliability. One of my mustangs hydroplaned, did a 360 through a ditch, took out a chunk of curb with my rear axle at the differential, and smacked a small pine tree that lifted the front end over the tree and slammed down in parking lot. Drove it home, didn't even have a ding in it. Drove it 2 more years and only replaced the brakes. It's simplicity has virtue in its durability. And for 20k less than my M3, I wouldn't expect equiv material quality.
But back to the Boss, chances are dealers are going to ask a premium for this car. In the end, it may end up costing as much as an M3 with dealer mark ups. First generation Boss's are some of the most collectable mustangs ever made and that history alone will get dealers giddy with the mark up pen. The LS even more so. It's value will likely be lost in its novelty and limited availability. And on the weight, that est. 3660 lbs is, in my vague memory, stunningly similar to the stock GT. I'm wondering if it's someones best guess or just a standard GT reprint with "estimated" added to it. And on the GT500 weight, the 2011 model shed 120lbs and is now very close to the 3700lbs range. Given the premium mark up the boss is likely to get, I'd probably be more interested in the '11 GT500 with the new competition package for probably a similar price.
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