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Thanks for your frankness. I will be painfully honest as well. If there wasn't a $20k premium for the RS5 I would probablly get one over the M3. It just looks so nice(inside and out) and I have always been dissapointed in the M3 interior. It's just not $20k better looking. At the end of the day, since cars are like women, I will use my girl analogy again. I would rather be with the girl who is hot and laughs at my jokes, is witty and makes me feel good inside, over the supermodel who is slightly better looking but vapid, not-so-smart and lacking a single funny bone in her body. So yeah I would love to take the RS5 for a hard ride but I want to take the M3 home.
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And whatever happened to all that "RS5 is truly superior" and "RS5 is faster and better" crap that you posted on these forums before the RS5 became available? I haven't seen any reviews supporting this. The RS5 was supposed to best the M3, it was Audi's great white hope. A good effort but in the end, a failure. An $80,000 video game console. Isn't it maddening when it comes so so close, but it's just out of reach?
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I've gone from FWD to AWD and finally found my groove with RWD. When we had the big snowstorms in the East last winter, I could take out the X3 simply because it has 8" of ground clearance - in previous years in similar conditions I managed to beach my A4 quite thoroughly 3 feet from my driveway. In snow, tires and clearance are king - everything else are simply nice to haves, not essentials. Interesting thing is I got the M3 after test driving it on rain-slicked country roads, that's where it blew my mind. I took it out in the pouring rain on track at Summit Point this past May and just blew everything else into the weeds - it's the confidence, the predictability that let's you try things you'd never dream of in other cars. So maybe I'm one of the few weird ones, but I prefer a nice RWD chassis even in bad weather.
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This is a matter of opinion. Different people may feel after driving the RS5 that it's superior in many ways and prefer it over the M3, the same will be true regarding the C63. It all depends on which things you place most value in. |
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Also the criticism adc levied against you was perfectly fair. As such you had no reply of substance to it. Perfect. Audi wins, magazines are great, BMW wins, magazines are to be questioned. Ugh.
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Regardless, the cars were tested on the same day in the same way. Quote:
Everybody knows that the finished product can behave very differently in the real world compared to the test beds. Doesn't really matter - I just wanted to rub some salt in the wounds - you seemed so all knowing at the time (although apparently based on hearsay). Even though the power to weight ratios are all but identical. Quote:
I agree that some people will prefer it because it's rarer, more expensive/exclusive, or stuffed to the gills with "stuff", or because it has a prettier interior - but as far as driving is concerned, it clearly isn't superior. At least the C63 is FAST.
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My guess is that it's hard for a big manufacturer to make real money on something like an R8. It's likely useful if you feel you need a halo vehicle to bring positive attention to your entire line or to demonstrate your technology. The way BMW has been saving nickels quietly decontenting the vehicles the last 2 years, it seems like profit is more their motive these days. I do almost remember reading that they are doing a special limited production car though. We'll see.
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Hey Does anyone have the full test video of this comparison?
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IS-F and C63 didn't make either of these comparisons, like yesterday's fish. Poor IS-F seems just about forgotten these days, despite all the hot blooded threads from a year or two ago.
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If these companies would set their sights much higher, or better yet stop trying to copy somebody else, I'm sure their end results would become instant icons. That's the secret to BMW's past successes - and the potential for future failure. As long as they do what they've always done best and stick to their own internal yardsticks, their products are simply unbeatable. As soon as they try to emulate other companies on comfort/gimmicks/design, they becomes less special, more diluted - and eventually begin loosing comparisons (like the 535i vs. A6 in a recent C&D). That is why Audi has had such success with the R8 - they created a niche product for themselves, and they are improving it every chance they get. (The fact that they based it on a Lamborghini is largely irrelevant ).
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The IS-F seems to be thrown together with available parts from other cars, and the C63 isn't much different. You're not going to compete well against an M3 with an adhoc car. But the M3 is an industry benchmark for that price range and class and has the advantage of being really a completely re-engineered 3 series. Until the other manufacturers put that much effort into it, I don't think they are going to out-do the M3 outright. But with the F30 M3 rumored to adopt one of the cookie cutter I6's, it might be that BMW is slacking off making it a truely unique car. Dropping the Sedan doesn't help, giving up a pretty sizable market share of sport sedans to Merc, Lexus, and Audi.
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Maybe now we can stop having to watch these Audi commercials.
Frankly, the "Audi" character in each sketch comes across as a genuine jerk, d'bag or straight up freak. Like the dad beating his son, hoo-ya! Can't wait to see BMW's "checkmate" comeback. I guess they would need to add a third character, since Caddy also put the RS5 in the weeds.
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