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Impressive #'s for the M3, without a doubt.
We'll see when the magazine comes out, but I'm pretty sure they used a ZCP coupe and the lower center of gravity, wider wheels, modified LC and modified throttle response *could* have something to do with this 0-60 time. Quote:
Yes, 28 bhp.
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Check this out Quality, 28 horsepower dyno gain from 100 octane. Pretty amazing if you ask me.
As soon as I'm done with my break-in it's 100 octane time... http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...0&postcount=19
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07-26-2010, 06:28 AM | #48 | |
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Isn't there some data that you can over-analyze to support your bang for buck theory? I'm sure it's coming... Maybe then you can go into an overly long and exaggerated dissertation into how you arrived at your conclusion. Please, I haven't been bored in awhile. |
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07-26-2010, 06:43 AM | #49 | |
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The lower CG (minimal in this case) and modifed throttle response will have nothing to do with the improved acceleration. The throttle response is more front loaded hence no gain at full throttle. Improved LC can obviously make some difference. I wouldn't expect much as it was only modified and others cars had LC. |
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07-26-2010, 06:52 AM | #51 |
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I have come to realize this and have decided to trade in my gt3 for FIVE and a half M3s. We all know you can buy that many for the price of a Porsche and the M is faster.
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07-26-2010, 08:41 AM | #53 | |
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i noticed you seem to trash/doubt bmw anywhere you can in every posts. i guess this is how porsche owners mindset are. I can clearly see lot of similarity from you and shift@red in 99.9% of the posts. I think everybody know that gt3 is better than the m3 in performance, so don't need to justify your purchase every time here. it just getting too funny. Last edited by graider; 07-26-2010 at 08:50 AM.. |
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07-26-2010, 08:53 AM | #54 | |
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Again, I plan to trade my 335 for a M or GTR as my dd so I have everything to gain knowing the performance is there. Anyway, did not realize it was a roll out. |
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07-26-2010, 10:56 AM | #55 | |
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C+D always uses a roll out 5-60 time and a 0-60. Both numbers are posted in the original thread.Therefore, I beleive the 0-60 is indeed 0-60 without rollout. Maybe I'm missing something here? Rolling 5-60 is 4.4 sec. Maybe they used launch control, but that would not explain why all the other cars did better in their 0-60 runs. The 0-60 is ususally faster if you go back and look at other reviews on the M3 or any other car. |
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-This car was an intentionally under rated "press only" car -All ZCP M3s are underrated -Their instruments are bad or miscalibrated -The outright lied Or of course the most obvious one is: -The M3 ZCP has numerous performance enhancements, each minor but when combined and combined with good conditions (road surface and weather) yielded some results just outside the best non ZCP times seen thus far. So what does exaggerated mean exactly? Quote:
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Of course we will all recall your strong defense of outlier type of numbers for the 997 S when the debate was M3 vs. 997 S performance. You can't have it both ways.
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Here is the data panel.. http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezfl...88724e04c1.pdf Also, Edmunds shows the base starting price of the RS5 at $80k, I mean with options this thing could easily be knocking on the door of a $100k. Are they correct? Dave
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07-26-2010, 02:39 PM | #59 |
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I didn't have a chance to watch the short video by c&d until now. damn the m3 looks the best and sounds the best out of the three. the m3 is showing how much effort bmw put into the engineering of the m3 and it shows even against competitors that are 2 years newer such as the rs5 and cts-v. I'm impressed. e9x m3 is clearly the replacement for my e46 m3.
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it seems odd to me to compare the CTS-V to the M3. I always felt like the M5 was the better comparison in terms of size/wheelbase/interior room etc...
Also--those are substantially better numbers for the M3 acceleration and braking than C and D had posted before for the M3. Was more like; 4.1 0-60 12.6 @113 for the 1/4 161 ft for the 60-0 braking the V did: 3.9 0-60 12.2 @119 154 ft 60-0 braking. and a faster Ring lap as well... Maybe its a style thing??? The V wins across the board in perfromance. the rest is subjective I guess. But when I bought my V i Compared it to the M5, and will look again when the new M5 comes out,
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Other than this, there are no other changes. So, assuming this acceleration test and prior such tests were run with launch control on, the DSC change would not be a factor (LC requires DSC off, and can not be used in MDM mode). Not sure if that was the case though. EDC changes may or may not have been a factor either - depends on whether this test and previous tests were done in Sport mode or not (my guess is that previously they were typically done in normal mode). Recent changes to the M-DCT software could in theory also play a role in acceleration times, though there's nothing to suggest that this is necessarily the case, and no way to know for certain. |
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I bet the cts is a blast to drive. However, I agree that it should be more fair to compare it with the m5 given it's brute power, but it's performance numbers don't match up. We are talking a 142hp and 253 lb torque difference with the m3. A supercharged M3 with proper suspension changes would likely far outperform the caddi.
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I think it's fair to say that both C & D and R & T have it BAD for BMW in general.
That being said GO M3!!
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