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03-13-2009, 07:26 PM | #90 |
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Fair enough, I'll leave you guys to your campaign. I still think its a shame that you would rather complain to BMW in the hope that they will adapt the DCT to you, rather than take the simpler route of driving the car as it was designed to be driven.
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at the track but it still has some bugs as a daily driver. |
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DCT performs real well last week for me at the Performance Center M School, no complains there!!
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03-13-2009, 10:32 PM | #93 |
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No one's complaining about it at the track.
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Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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03-13-2009, 11:18 PM | #94 | |
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The tranny in D mode is virtually flawless EXCEPT this rather large BUG that can be a SAFETY issue and WAS NOT present before the first DCT software upgrade. What part of this don't you get? I think it is a shame you are trolling so much on this thread and acting like you are a better driver than the rest of us upset about a big software bug. |
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03-13-2009, 11:57 PM | #95 |
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"Taking your breath away but not your speed, the M double-clutch transmission (DCT) with Drivelogic transfers engine power to the road without the slightest disruption to tractive force. With two transmission structures the system is able to switch simply between the two, thus providing constant power to the rear wheels. Gears can be changed without the transmission of power being interrupted using either the paddles, shift lever or automatic mode for even more dynamic comfort. 0 to 100 km/h takes just 5.1 seconds, two tenths of a second faster than the manual transmission." There is no adapting to do, only possible solution is a fix from BMW on this highly dangerous fault which is present all the time. The above qoute clearly shows that what we are experiencing is not by design but a fault from BMW introduced by a software update. I believe that they should have disabled auto mode (Both in d and in s) in a hotfix because this lag is putting peoples’ lives at risk. But apprently BMW has a greater concern for their money then for lives. |
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03-14-2009, 05:57 AM | #97 | |
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Don't BMW have a school you can go to learn how to drive the DCT M3? |
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yes is called the Performance Center
well I guess if the car is not driven fast, its not driven correctly
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As swamp (and many others before him) said this isssue did not exist with nearly the predominance it now does when we had the original software. It was introduced with the latest version of the software and therefore by defintion, it is a bug. And bugs should be fixed. Furthermore dual clutch transmissions from other vendors are not exhibting this same issue. Quote:
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Doesn't the UK provide free public grammar school where you learn basic logic as well as some manners? You are so utterly clueless. Just give up the trolling.
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03-14-2009, 01:42 PM | #101 |
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LOL oh come on, no need to get all self righteous and upset...Jeez some folk take themselves way too seriously.
AnywayI'm sure Getrag started working full time on changing the software once they heard you guys were firing off all those letters to BMW...proper quaking in their boots I bet. They will have it all sorted in a jiffy just like they sorted the SMG software for the E46 M3! |
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As a casual observer, it is something that BMW needs to fix soon, but it is nice that there's a manual work-around that drivers can avail themselves of until the fix is complete.
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I'm trying to get used to that lag, but i can't...
It keeps annoying me every day. I prefer to drive in automatic-mode, so it occurs very often. I really hope BMW is going to solve this issue and i hope very fast... |
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You guys have probably seen this already but in case not:
"The Product Liability / Personal Injury Attorney at The Lance Firm is currently investigating these BMW M3 M DCT transmission failure complaints. If you or someone you know has suffered a personal injury in an accident involving a BMW M3 M DCT stall, lag or hesitation wreck, contact us today, a product liability lawyer at our law firm will discuss your options and legal rights." http://www.utahjusticelaw.com/Lance-...liability.html |
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For the rest of you who think this can be cured with changes to driving style: 1) Note that I've tried it in manual mode as well, still hesitates 2) You should actually buy a DCT equiped M3 and stop guessing. 3) Drive a few more miles than 200 a month, because I put a 3000/mo on mine 4) I can keep it from happening by applying a small amount of throttle through the turn. This doesn't help the actually important case where I am rolling in an intersection and need the car to accelerate when I apply the throttle, not a second later. Here's some info: 55 mph = 80 feet per second A car traveling 55mph travels 5 car lengths in the time a DCT equiped M3 spends thinking about engaging the clutch. |
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Hi All,
I love the MDCT, especially at the track. It reminds me of the Pro Formula Mazda I drove, which had a 6-spd "no-lift" shift sequential gearbox, only faster I tend to drive more civil on the street and thus haven't noticed the hesitation about which folks are complaining. I joined this forum to get information about the non-track worthy brakes and came upon this thread. If you guys want to really complain about safety issues, the brakes are a better subject. Even one panic stop on the streets shows evidence of fade. The pads and fluid just don't seem to be up to the task. But I digress, I will post that to a different thread. Last edited by M3V8Driver; 03-15-2009 at 02:25 PM.. |
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BMW sent me an engineer from the BMWNA..He agreed on the hesitation but he said it is considered normal by BMW...I think BMW is not taking this seriously until something bad happens ...I heard there is another software update ...Is this true?
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Unfortunately I don't see any solution other than driving in S4 and not allowing the gearbox software to make the change into 2nd (and 1st) as you slow towards a junction. As your Point 4) above if I'm rolling up to a junction (in S4) I do apply the smallest amount of throttle to confirm that I'm in a gear with the clutch engaged before commiting to accelerating out into traffic. |
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