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More drivers question Nissan's Nurburgring time
Chief engineer Kazutoshi Mizuno said the new GT-R "could get anywhere from 7:44 on up, with most laps coming in between 7:55 and 7:58." This fits perfectly with the recent times achieved by various professional drivers.
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11-06-2008, 10:18 AM | #2 |
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The list of names here are impressive and in a way harder to argue with than even swamp data. But I have seen enough evidence to say that the GTR is special in a way that the 997Turbo isn't. I have yet to see one example of where the Turbo has proven to be quicker than the GTR on any track, it quicker on every acceleration run and even posts quicker trap speeds on these laps but still can't match the sheer speed of the GTR in the corners.
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7:29 was obviously a con job, but there is nothing to be ashamed of a 7:45-7:50!
I mean a Pagani Zonda F is at 7:25 and Carrera Gt 7:28, so 7:29 is complete BS!! |
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11-06-2008, 08:43 PM | #8 |
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I just don't understand why did'nt Nissan just bring out a limited edition or special order, no back seat, different exhaust, a couple more HP, special tyres etc and do the 7:29 that way.
The GT2 here in Australia is like that, a mate of mine just pulled the roll cage out of his and put the back seats back in to make it a road car.
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11-06-2008, 11:38 PM | #9 | |
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What are they going to do when they try and set a lap for the V-spec, when the base GTR time was fudged. |
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11-07-2008, 12:12 AM | #10 | |
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That will teach them, they won't make that mistake twice, but there reputation will take sometime to recover! And your right the V-spec time will now be disappointing and if the transmission is the weak spot in the GTR what will it be like in the spec version, use once and rebuild after.
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11-07-2008, 08:22 AM | #11 | |
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That sound like panic to you? The V-Spec will be down in the 'teens - and swamp will go back to work. Bruce PS - At a guess, the V-spec will be no harder on the trans than the current version. More torque (probably), but definitely less weight. |
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11-07-2008, 10:05 AM | #12 |
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All we have here is multiple threads basically on the exact same thing 'The GTR can't post this time in stock form' and almost always the same people post on them.
I still believe that Nissan wouldn't be that stupid to fake their thing with a car so far off stock. You have to remember that more than one manufacturer will be testing during their sessions and word would have gotten out long before now if it had have been this blatant a lie. There is still countless amounts of evidence pointing to the fact that against the 997Turbo it is miles quicker when both are on the track together at the same time and in the same conditions. Also most of the stuff I have seen place the GTR almost on par with the GT2 and those occasions are on a very smooth race track very unlike what the ring is. In fact the only other place where these other exotic cars have been tested against the GTR in similar conditions to what you get at the ring is the time Autocar tested in the Isle of Man and there the GTR reigned supreme. Though I still can't explain why so many other drivers are having such problems getting close to the Nissan time of 7:29. Even if Nissan were doing everything said in the OP's opening statement that would only account for possibly 6 seconds improvement (7:35) and none of the drivers are even getting close within 10 seconds of that. The only other car I can think of with is equally brilliant everywhere else but less so on the ring is the Audi R8 and that's a lot more explainable because of it's lack of acceleration. The GTR is miles quicker than the R8 in acceleration and cornering, so if the R8 can post a 7:50 in the hands of Audi (unofficially) and 7:56 in SA's hands then one would expect the much quicker GTR to knock an easy 15 seconds off that. The jury is still out. |
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BTW, how quick do you think a E92 with 464 hp M3 would lap the N'Ring? How about a "CSL equivalently tuned" 464 hp E92 M3? Just a random question for some thought... |
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I openly admit I like yourself am one of the big players in this debate.
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It's very interesting to compare the ZR1 against the CXX on that final straight, I basically found that the ZR1 held the CXX right up to a point half way up the straight (roughly about 165mph) and only after this did the CXX pull clear air between them. Does this mean the ZR1 wasn't stock (j/k). Quote:
I would love to know that. The rubber can't improve because the M3 was already tested on r-compound, so all of the improvement have to come from the chassis, weight savings and the power. Please tell me your findings. |
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11-08-2008, 01:33 PM | #17 | |
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I could come up with a very good estimate. So could you. That wasn't really the point. The point was that 414+50=464 = a HUGE deal. Last edited by swamp2; 11-08-2008 at 02:08 PM.. |
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11-08-2008, 02:18 PM | #18 | |
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I decided to give it a whirl at an estimate:
If you couldn't guess this is done mostly via regression modeling. |
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11-08-2008, 05:25 PM | #19 | |
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Speaking of Autocar............ In 1997 Autocar sent two of its best drivers to test out a production Nissan GTR to try to match the sub 8 minute record. Two of their best drivers included two-times Le Mans winner Robert Nearn, and Steve Sutcliffe. Their best time was 8:28.1. "Nissan GTR's, the Nurburgring and uspiciously rapid lap times go way back, the first eyebrows having been raised when the R33 GTR somehow broke eight minutes in standard trim in the mid 1990's. We know now, of course, that the car in question was fitted with a set of tyres that could have stuck it to the side of the Eiffel Tower when it set its lap time, and im reasonably certain they've been at it again with the latest GTR's record breaking 7min 29sec lap." |
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11-08-2008, 06:01 PM | #20 |
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Will see if we can cast some light on this lap time argument. Weather permitting we should know the answer in the next few days..
We already know how fast the GT-R is from lapping several around Silverstone, but the 'ring is a very different challenge. |
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11-08-2008, 10:54 PM | #21 |
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In Drivers-Republic? When you say in a few days, when and where will the results be published? Thanks.
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11-09-2008, 12:45 AM | #22 |
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How much of a factor is the pavement temperature on lap time. We know lower temperatures have higher air density and are good for a bit more powere but I'd expect traction could suffer quite a bit as well.
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