M3 e92 vs Challenger SRT8

[addy85]

Originally Posted by d3l0n

Okay. Well... let me ellaborate a bit more. For my car, being a 330i 260hp/220lb toque, being able to pace a 400hp "beast". It's pretty sad. He was indeed flooring it, I know for sure we kinda met up at a light and chatted a bit and laughed, but I had to make the turn. I really wanted to see how the two would do in a drag. I never expected to beat the SRT8, NO ONE, expects a 330i to beat an SRT8, but on paper... the SRT8 should blow me out the water. I've raced the 335is, and its a no contest... the SRT8 actually gave me some sort of hope lol.

I hate it when people change the topic into disagreeing with the arguement because of class difference. Luxury vs whatever, therefore its not in the same class. Most times, the arguements are performance wise and in a drag. We all know the m3 is up there in the handling camprisons and not the Srt8, thats just obvious. So cost is not of importance of the argument really. Cost comes into play when deciding which to buy. 2 cars (m3 and srt8) are in the 400hp class range. So this how they can be compared.

My 2cents was to help others understand how much of a "trash" the srt8 is. I do respect the SRT8 cars to a certain degree tho. Yes it does well against other cars, yes it looks better than some, but its trash because there are less powered better engineered cars that can perform better and/or there are many others that just simply do alot better. It's also trash because I had higher expectations. Then again, I remember learning how the GT500 from mustang is really 400+hp and not 500... ah well.

Oh i also mentioned the SRT8 CHARGER, because I assumed the new challenger will share the same engine.. hence the same car, just mindor difference in performance.

Make sense now?

To my suprise you have some education it seems, well maybe. Let me be the barrier of bad news to you though, that srt-8 driver was an idiot. Theres no way (and we both know thats true) that you could stay with a srt-8 with a 330i

Your 2 cents is based off a supposed street race with your 330i in which i'm guessing you believe you beat the srt8? Sorry buddy but im more then skeptical when it comes to a 330i beating a srt8 charger. Either the kid was running on 87 octane with 100 plus degree temp outside or he had no clue what the fuck he was doing. Maybe he had the e-brake on while he was accelerating?

As far as you hating people arguing about classes....... I never said that the M3 wasn't superior then any srt8 out there. Go read my post more clearly, I said that it isnt a very fair comparison because of the amount of difference in price. I mean lets be logical, who the hell would be a 70k plus car when a 40k plus car can beat it stock vs stock? NOT ME! The m3 should not only beat any srt8 but it should run circles around it at a track, even a modified srt8.

Again, I never knew that 400 hp was trash regardless of what kind of car it was

[addy85]

Originally Posted by moog55

challenger is a fat pig. m3 can run circles around it.

theres no doubt about that.

[addy85]

2006 BMW 330i

Vehicle Type:
Model Year: 2006
Make: BMW
Model: 330i
Style: 4-door sedan
Base Price: $36,995
Price as Tested: $47,390
Drive Type: Rear-wheel Drive
Transmission Type: Six-speed automanual
Displacement (liters): 3.0
Engine Type: Inline six
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 255 @ 6600
Torque (ft-lb @ rpm): 220 @ 2750
Braking System: Four wheel discs with ABS
Steering System: Rack-and-pinion w/ variable ratio and effort
Suspension Type (front): Independent w/ stabilizer bar
Suspension Type (rear): Independent w/ stabilizer bar
Tire Size (front): 225/40ZR18
Tire Size (rear): 255/35/ZR18
Tire Brand: Bridgestone
Tire Model: Potenza RE050A
Curb Weight (lbs.): 3450
Recommended Fuel: Premium
Fuel Tank Capacity (gal): 15.9
EPA Fuel Economy (mpg): 21 City 29 Highway
Edmunds Observed (mpg): 21.7
Conditions for Testing:
Temperature (Fahrenheit): 58 degrees F
Humidity: 30.15 in. Hg
Elevation (ft): 1100 ft.
Wind: 7 mph from the West
Performance:
0 - 30 (sec): 2.5
0 - 45 (sec): 4.4
0 - 60 (sec): 6.7
0 - 75 (sec): 9.8
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 14.7 @ 96 mph
30 - 0 (ft): 28
60 - 0 (ft): 112
Braking Rating: (Excellent, Good, Average, Poor or Very Poor) Good
Slalom (mph): 67.4
Skidpad: .92g
Turning Circle (ft), curb-to-curb: Note Tested
Handling Rating: (Excellent, Good, Average, Poor or Very Poor) Good
Db @ Idle: 46
Db @ Full Throttle: 72
Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 67



SRT performance: 0-60 mph in the low 5-second range, 0-100-0 in under 17 seconds, high 13 to low 14 quarter mile times.

Edit, sorry for the three posts in a row

[darkphantom]

what's the point of this thread? comparing a lesser car to an M3? =/

[addy85]

Originally Posted by darkphantom

what's the point of this thread? comparing a lesser car to an M3? =/

[d3l0n]

Originally Posted by addy85

2006 BMW 330i

Vehicle Type:
Model Year: 2006
Make: BMW
Model: 330i
Style: 4-door sedan
Base Price: $36,995
Price as Tested: $47,390
Drive Type: Rear-wheel Drive
Transmission Type: Six-speed automanual
Displacement (liters): 3.0
Engine Type: Inline six
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 255 @ 6600
Torque (ft-lb @ rpm): 220 @ 2750
Braking System: Four wheel discs with ABS
Steering System: Rack-and-pinion w/ variable ratio and effort
Suspension Type (front): Independent w/ stabilizer bar
Suspension Type (rear): Independent w/ stabilizer bar
Tire Size (front): 225/40ZR18
Tire Size (rear): 255/35/ZR18
Tire Brand: Bridgestone
Tire Model: Potenza RE050A
Curb Weight (lbs.): 3450
Recommended Fuel: Premium
Fuel Tank Capacity (gal): 15.9
EPA Fuel Economy (mpg): 21 City 29 Highway
Edmunds Observed (mpg): 21.7
Conditions for Testing:
Temperature (Fahrenheit): 58 degrees F
Humidity: 30.15 in. Hg
Elevation (ft): 1100 ft.
Wind: 7 mph from the West
Performance:
0 - 30 (sec): 2.5
0 - 45 (sec): 4.4
0 - 60 (sec): 6.7
0 - 75 (sec): 9.8
1/4 Mile (sec @ mph): 14.7 @ 96 mph
30 - 0 (ft): 28
60 - 0 (ft): 112
Braking Rating: (Excellent, Good, Average, Poor or Very Poor) Good
Slalom (mph): 67.4
Skidpad: .92g
Turning Circle (ft), curb-to-curb: Note Tested
Handling Rating: (Excellent, Good, Average, Poor or Very Poor) Good
Db @ Idle: 46
Db @ Full Throttle: 72
Db @ 70 mph Cruise: 67



SRT performance: 0-60 mph in the low 5-second range, 0-100-0 in under 17 seconds, high 13 to low 14 quarter mile times.

Edit, sorry for the three posts in a row

("wow, this guy really went in.") I find it amazing and quite amusing that you are judging my intelligence on this small argument.....

I don't think I ever stated that I beat the SRT8, or would have even had a chance. I had higher expectations with an SRT8 badge, hence it being trash for my car to still be close compared to other cars that have less power. Then again, it could very well be the driver (which is usually an issue in street races, smh)

I'm not so much a HP only guy.. I care about everything else, so yeah not all cars with 400hp are so great in my book. And please don't call my lil e90 out again lol, its bad enough I'm over it and waiting for certain situations fall into play until I trade up or replace.

Closing statement: (getting back to the original topic) in a straight, like all muscle/American cars and if they do upgrade that engine, it just might do very well against the M3. Right now, the current SRT8 models will be owned by the current M3.



i'ts still trash:

[addy85]

Originally Posted by d3l0n

("wow, this guy really went in.") I find it amazing and quite amusing that you are judging my intelligence on this small argument.....

I don't think I ever stated that I beat the SRT8, or would have even had a chance. I had higher expectations with an SRT8 badge, hence it being trash for my car to still be close compared to other cars that have less power. Then again, it could very well be the driver (which is usually an issue in street races, smh)

I'm not so much a HP only guy.. I care about everything else, so yeah not all cars with 400hp are so great in my book. And please don't call my lil e90 out again lol, its bad enough I'm over it and waiting for certain situations fall into play until I trade up or replace.

Closing statement: (getting back to the original topic) in a straight, like all muscle/American cars and if they do upgrade that engine, it just might do very well against the M3. Right now, the current SRT8 models will be owned by the current M3.



i'ts still trash:

Oh man...... I'm not sure if you know this or not but i've agreed that the M3 is far superior then a srt8................ Read my previous posts, oh and buddy a small disagreement doesn't mean i'm judging your intelligence . Nonetheless you stand by the fact that you think the srt8 is trash and thats fine, I was merely skeptical about your story

Hurry up and upgrade your car

[Bunkei]

I guess I should have expect it being a M3 board and all, but some people here are obviously out of touch with reality. There was a similar thread about the new M3 can outrun a Corvette Z06. Now we're comparing the the M3 to a car costing about $20,000 less. Let's be fair, for about $40,000 (est. price of the Challenger), you can buy a BMW 328i. Should we discuss how the Challenger SRT-8 trounces the 328i in a drag race? How facetious can we get?

It sorta bothers me that threads like this can exist, but when a Z06 owner asks people to put up or shut up regarding the claims that the M3 is faster than the Z06, that thread gets locked.

[xxForgedxx]

Originally Posted by 96OCTNE

Ok, so stock for stock we're lookin' at:

BMW e92 M3
weight:3704 lbs
HP: 414
torque: 295
0-60: depending on who you ask 4.1 - 4.7 sec

Dodge Challenger SRT8
weight:4140 lbs
HP:425
torque:420
0-60: under 5 sec

I don't see an issue dusting this car, I would love to race one on the track, if anyone knows someone getting an SRT8 soon let me know. I have a feeling I can take one on stock for stock.
Any comments?

Sorry bub but considering what it is, it would not take a ton to wax your M with one of these. Look up the SRT600Turbo Challenger. Keep in mind this car can slap on a ProCharger or Vortec S/C for about $5,000 with no mechanical complications at all and make you its bitch.

[d3l0n]

Originally Posted by addy85

Oh man...... I'm not sure if you know this or not but i've agreed that the M3 is far superior then a srt8................ Read my previous posts, oh and buddy a small disagreement doesn't mean i'm judging your intelligence . Nonetheless you stand by the fact that you think the srt8 is trash and thats fine, I was merely skeptical about your story

Hurry up and upgrade your car

lol

[d3l0n]

Originally Posted by xxForgedxx

Sorry bub but considering what it is, it would not take a ton to wax your M with one of these. Look up the SRT600Turbo Challenger. Keep in mind this car can slap on a ProCharger or Vortec S/C for about $5,000 with no mechanical complications at all and make you its bitch.

geez.. soo ruff lol

I thought the original questioning was stock for stock... but turbo challenger sounds insane

[xxForgedxx]

Originally Posted by d3l0n

geez.. soo ruff lol

I thought the original questioning was stock for stock... but turbo challenger sounds insane

Turbo challenger, or S/C. Either is cheap. Either will stomp

[addy85]

Originally Posted by d3l0n

geez.. soo ruff lol

I thought the original questioning was stock for stock... but turbo challenger sounds insane

I seen one at a dodge challenger event I was invited too (I work for dodge) it was built by Saleen I believe and it was beyond insane I assure you It has some fat DR on it and it was still smoking rubber the turbo sounded great in it and I could only imagine what it could do on the track espically with some race gas in it

[xxForgedxx]

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by xxForgedxx

Turbo challenger, or S/C. Either is cheap. Either will stomp

At 4100lbs, you'd melt the brakes off the Dodge in the first lap, even more so if the Dodge is using FI. M3 FTW.

[xxForgedxx]

Originally Posted by skierman64

At 4100lbs, you'd melt the brakes off the Dodge in the first lap, even more so if the Dodge is using FI. M3 FTW.

The SRT-8 has massive Brembos I don't think it would be that much of a problem. And in case you DIDN't know. The Challenger, Camaro, Mustang, Cuda where the bench mark for road racing cars here in america. And the M3 tips the scale at almost 3,800lbs so you ain't no light weight either.

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by xxForgedxx

The SRT-8 has massive Brembos I don't think it would be that much of a problem. And in case you DIDN't know. The Challenger, Camaro, Mustang, Cuda where the bench mark for road racing cars here in america. And the M3 tips the scale at almost 3,800lbs so you ain't no light weight either.

Actually 3 or 4 guys on here have weighed their cars with some fuel in the tank and gotton under 3600lbs actual weight

I'd be shocked to see any stock SRT-8 car faster than a stock M3 at any roadcourse anywhere with equally talanted drivers. No SRT-8 car will be as balanced as an M3. If they are faster, I'll buy one.

Forged, have you tracked your R32? Isn't it over 3500 lbs stock?

[xxForgedxx]

Originally Posted by skierman64

Actually 3 or 4 guys on here have weighed their cars with some fuel in the tank and gotton under 3600lbs actual weight

I'd be shocked to see any stock SRT-8 car faster than a stock M3 at any roadcourse anywhere with equally talanted drivers. No SRT-8 car will be as balanced as an M3. If they are faster, I'll buy one.

Forged, have you tracked your R32? Isn't it over 3500 lbs stock?

I am not saying the SRT-8 is a faster car stock for stock on a road course. I was simply stating that people forget what a Pony car is and that these cars were road racing. However, I do believe firmly that regardless of weight if you compared the $40,000 MSRP to the $57,000 MSRP and equaled out the price by making up for it in mods it would be lights out for the M.

[skierman64]

True, $17,000 in mods would buy a lot. At least the Challenger is going to have an independent rear suspension (if I remember correctly). I'm glad the US pony cars are making a comeback using the retro look. As a car lover I think it's cool. However, I won't be trading in my M3 on one.

A few driver's schools ago some dude brought a Hemi (not SRT-8) Magnum. He wasn't all that fast, but he had the nicest sounding exhaust note going down the front straight at Watkins Glen.

I actually passed a Challenger as I was driving to the track last weekend.

[xxForgedxx]

Originally Posted by skierman64

True, $17,000 in mods would buy a lot. At least the Challenger is going to have an independent rear suspension (if I remember correctly). I'm glad the US pony cars are making a comeback using the retro look. As a car lover I think it's cool. However, I won't be trading in my M3 on one.

A few driver's schools ago some dude brought a Hemi (not SRT-8) Magnum. He wasn't all that fast, but he had the nicest sounding exhaust note going down the front straight at Watkins Glen.

I actually passed a Challenger as I was driving to the track last weekend.

I would never pass up an M for a Challenger. Never, but I respect all that has something worth respecting even if it does have a slow interior

[skierman64]

Originally Posted by xxForgedxx

I would never pass up an M for a Challenger. Never, but I respect all that has something worth respecting even if it does have a slow interior

Concur

[Z4dave]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgcfA7SFBgU