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      04-01-2024, 03:20 PM   #1
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Passenger front tire wear

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Put the car up for an oil change and just noticed some crazy tire wear/cords showing. Not sure if it was something I hit, but the tire did not look like this about 500 miles ago. Any thoughts? Assuming I should get an alignment when I get a new tires on the front.
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Hi guys,

Put the car up for an oil change and just noticed some crazy tire wear/cords showing. Not sure if it was something I hit, but the tire did not look like this about 500 miles ago. Any thoughts? Assuming I should get an alignment when I get a new tires on the front.
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      04-04-2024, 09:58 AM   #3
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You definitely need to visually inspect the passenger front suspension components for anything obvious (easier said than done), and then put the car on an alignment rack to see what the numbers show. I'm assuming you dont have any noticeable drivability issues like vibration or the car pulling hard to the right, otherwise you might have noticed this sooner.

Depending on what alignment machine shows is out of spec, it may be possible to adjust the steering rack tie rod to correct a toe issue. Toe is the only front adjustment you can do on a stock suspension since camber and caster are fixed settings. If you have camber plates, you can check to see if something slipped up top.

While you do need to replace the tire, that should only be done after the alignment issue is fixed.
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You definitely need to visually inspect the passenger front suspension components for anything obvious (easier said than done), and then put the car on an alignment rack to see what the numbers show. I'm assuming you dont have any noticeable drivability issues like vibration or the car pulling hard to the right, otherwise you might have noticed this sooner.

Depending on what alignment machine shows is out of spec, it may be possible to adjust the steering rack tie rod to correct a toe issue. Toe is the only front adjustment you can do on a stock suspension since camber and caster are fixed settings. If you have camber plates, you can check to see if something slipped up top.

While you do need to replace the tire, that should only be done after the alignment issue is fixed.
Appreciate the feedback. My car is slightly lowered on the KW sleeve over kit which retains stock EDC. I did a visual inspection with the wheel removed and nothing seemed out of order. Just got the new tires in today and have an alignment appointment set up for Monday. Interestingly enough the car tracks straight and I don’t have any steering vibration so I didn’t realize it was a problem until I was under the car and saw the inner section of the tire.
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alignment is pretty dynamic, it changes often when you're driving. even more so if your bushings are going bad.

your toe probably got sent out of whack some how or you ran on low tire pressure with out realizing it.
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Toe out of spec and mixed with some neg camber. Some neg camber is fine, and appropriate, but for up front, you'd want very very little or zero toe.
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Toe out of spec and mixed with some neg camber. Some neg camber is fine, and appropriate, but for up front, you'd want very very little or zero toe.
Agreed. This is due to an incorrect toe setting. People always blame camber for bad tire wear when in fact it’s always caused by toe. Too much toe means you’re effectively sliding/dragging your tire against the road. An improper toe setting can destroy a new tire in 1-3k miles.

OP - get your car aligned. As previously stated, toe is the only factory adjustment you can make to the front suspension (well, there’s usually a tiny amount of camber adjustment if you wiggle things around but not enough to make a real difference). You’ll need camber plates, offset bushings and adjustable suspension arms if you need to adjust camber and caster in addition to toe.
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Agreed. This is due to an incorrect toe setting. People always blame camber for bad tire wear when in fact it’s always caused by toe. Too much toe means you’re effectively sliding/dragging your tire against the road. An improper toe setting can destroy a new tire in 1-3k miles.

OP - get your car aligned. As previously stated, toe is the only factory adjustment you can make to the front suspension (well, there’s usually a tiny amount of camber adjustment if you wiggle things around but not enough to make a real difference). You’ll need camber plates, offset bushings and adjustable suspension arms if you need to adjust camber and caster in addition to toe.
This. Often people think camber wear out tires. While this is true over a long period of time, as in towards the end of life on the tire you'll see a slight increased wear on the inside. However, toe angle out spec will wear out the inside in a very very short period of time. Based on your photos, your toe angle is likely out.
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