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They're not even in the same category. 718 and Emira are pure sports cars. The Jag is a heavy GT with a beast of an engine. I have an F-Type SVR, it's great. But the driving experience of a 3200 lb. MR 6-cyl with a manual trans is a little different than 3800 lb. FR/AWD 8-cyl with an auto.
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Can't imagine I'd want an emira. While I haven't driven it I'm familiar with the Toyota 3.5 SC v6. It's okay I guess. I'd rather have the CGTS4.0 especially for similar money. No contest.
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I seriously considered waiting for the Emira, but for me the uncertainty about reliability and the better engine in the porsche made the decision for me
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I used to be a HUGE Porsche fan, but the Cayman and 911 are the same cars with the engine in different places and +/- a back seat.
That, and the markup on the cars are insane. I can't imagine speading that much on a car that just isn't a practical daily driver. Corvette or Lotus. |
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A Cayman is a wildly practical daily. I drive my 2011 Cayman 90% of the time while my much faster M235 collects dust. The frunk is huge, the rear trunk is quite large, the doors have hinged storage bins, and there is a storage bin behind each seat, a cargo net and tie down bar are above the engine cover, and the there are hinged cargo rail mounts on the roof rails as well. Being mid engine means it's pretty dang good in the snow assuming it's not too deep. Name another more practical 2 seater on the market. There isn't one. The car is easy as hell to work on as well as most everything is quite accessible and you get to sit in the carpeted trunk while working on top of the engine. The engine and trans can be dropped in a couple of hours.
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https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...8#post30948788 Same Chassis, same electronics, same interior, same engines, same car with the engine position changed. |
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What really set a lot of 911 buyers off in the past was because certain exterior styling and interior elements of the 986/987 cars were the same as the 911 and they were ticked off to be paying nearly twice a much for the 911. Not until 981 GT4 came out did the Cayman/Boxster get the same engine as the 911. Only the special and super expensive Cayman/Boxsters get the certain 911 motors. Parts bin sharing isn't just a Porsche thing. It's a global thing across all makes. Subaru is probably the biggest parts bin sharing company out there.
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The entire front subframe, the interior minus a few dash pieces, electronics and the entire chassis, are literally the same PN. Watch the video. tranquility |
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The 981 and 718 gens shared less with the 911s of the same generation. Very little on the outside is shared between the two models anymore. No panels, door skins, windshields, etc. are shared anymore. Otherwise, see the above. It's less than 51% now. Not until the 981 GT4 showed up did they start directly sharing motors and transmissions on certain specialty Caymans and Boxsters. I do not know the amount of sharing between the 986 and 996 cars, but I've heard it was close to 60%. Most any major make on the road shares a significant number of it's parts with other models. Efficiency and parts bin sharing are commonplace, especially when it comes to general chassis architecture, underpinnings, and the parts buried within a car. Our M235's have TONS of parts shared with F series cars and non-F series cars.
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I would daresay that dude in that video I posted in another thread is more technically-inclined never mind being in that specific industry vs most of us, but I'm not really here to debate if the Cayman/Boxster is 80% or 79.9999% of the 911 lol. I just HATE how Porsche is intentionally keeping down the superior platform just for tradition's sake. Mind you, other manufacturers are somehow idiots cuz they cannot defeat a RR platform, so kudos for Porsche for keeping the 911 relevant, but, just imagine if they actually put in all their superior engineering prowess into the MR platform?
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They don't hold back engineering, all they do is nerf the HP a touch. The back seat thing is real, I am on a 997 group chat in Toronto and about 30 to 40% of members use the back seat for kiddie runs. I think some of you are confusing what the Cayman/boxster is, it's not a McLaren/Lambo/Ferrari/Vette MR style supercar. It is closer to a Miata with more HP.
The 911 battles those cars and if you made it MR it loses the back seats. |
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Why would the Emira be unreliable? Lotus has been sourcing an extremely reliable Toyota V6 for well over a decade now, and have continually updated and refined it to fit its cars. I will grant the electronics might be iffy but mechanically the Emira should be pretty solid especially with the manual.
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The Cayman/Boxster are legit sportscars with the engine is the exact right place. Supercars? No, but they without a doubt some of the best two seat sportscars out there and a more reliable and better put together than all of them too. I get why people hate Porsches. It's the same reason why they hate certain college and professional teams because they are consistently good and tend to win most of the time.
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Let's not get into semantics: it's holding back and it's usually calculated just enough so that the C/B doesn't outperform the Carrera, and that's frustrating. Clarkson was right, I dunno if I'd ever get over the thought that if I bought a C/B knowing they didn't maximize its potential just to keep the 911 ppl happy. I'm not dissing those w practical reasons, just restating what I said in my previous post that the 911 would be even more amazing w/o the added wt/space of rear seats and having the engine in the right place. Sure, it battles but if someone had that kinda budget for those first 3, I would srsly doubt they would get a 911 unless it's some limited edition. Anyway, for sure, if they got rid of the rear seats and made it a MR, it would be a...Carrera GT. Btw, I personally refer to them all as sportscars and dislike the term 'supercar' and now, what, 'hypercar'? I think it's all silliness as it usually just means it's more $$$$.
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