The official "Ask a cop/deputy anything!" thread

rwheels · 07-11-2020, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I was. The crazy thing about that incident was that his complaints were justified, but he started killing other law enforcement officials and that really pissed everybody off. On this side of the line, you never understand when one of your own starts taking out his/her brothers and sisters in blue. Oftentimes we are all we have.

Thanks. I remember that incident well, and thought it unfortunate that he didn't make his complaints known to the press instead; then perhaps those four innocents would still be alive today. Very sad situation.

paliknight · 07-13-2020, 02:34 AM

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This career is great.......was great. It has always been a risk-reward proposition buoyed by great compensation and a good retirement, the latter two references adding incentive for placing ourselves in danger every shift and being willing to die for something larger than ourselves. Additionally, qualified immunity allowed for us to be able to make mistakes made in good faith without the fear of callous legal ramifications and/or prosecution. Essentially it allowed us to be human. The current climate expects perfection from law enforcement; an unrealistic expectation. Couple that with the very real proposition of losing our pensions, a reduction of resources due to the "defund the police" movement and body cameras designed to allow hindsight criticism of highly dangerous, rapidly evolving and fluid situations, and you have a recipe for career disaster. It was bad enough that one incident in your career would likely lead to termination or forced retirement. Now, one incident will likely lead to an officer being charged with murder, for example, over a textbook and easily justified shooting (...e.g...criminal points gun at officer, officer shoots criminal, it's all caught on camera and the criminal's gun was recovered at the scene, but the officer gets charged with murder. WTF?!?!).

I was told many years ago by older officers that they "felt for me and others who were just beginning their careers." They went on to state that the world was no longer friendly nor respectful towards law enforcement and that I/we'd have a very difficult time bridging the chasm. These officers also stated they would never have chosen to become cops in today's world. Fast forward many years and I finally understand what they meant. It isn't worth it, and I feel for those applying and trying to get hired in a world that becomes more unfriendly by the day.

Ultimately there will be people in uniform to carry the torch, but disenchantment awaits them. It's unfortunate because the vast majority of us enter this profession to do good things and protect innocent people. We are not flawless, but we are full of heart and we enjoy being of service. It's unfortunate that we are just pawns in a much larger scheme.

I agree with everything you said my friend. The sad part is that what is happening is not what the vast majority of folks want but because of the actions of a small militant group who are supported by the MSM and virtue signalling politicians. Take care of yourself and those you work with. Stay safe.

Thank you Sir! I will definitely watch my back and the backs of my partners I work with. I've begun the countdown. I will be transferring to the courts or to the county hospital jail ward next summer. We are on a freeze currently due to the defund, but as soon as movement opens up I will be adding myself to the transfer list.

Don't sweat it. Can't speak for your communist state, but most of America supports you and your brothers in blue. Most Americans know your value and appreciate you guys and gals for it. We know the sacrifices you make while being underpaid. If it were up to me, I'd triple police funding instead of eliminating it.

Unfortunately, the people in charge only care about lining their pockets by remaining in office. I really hope everyone gets out and votes to preserve what we have left of our great country. If not, then all those who served and all those who continue to serve will be doing it in vain. And all those who sacrificed will have done it in vain.

I experienced something similar while in the army. Albeit it wasn't this severe.

However, maybe it's time to give those people what they want. You don't realize what you have until it's gone, right?

Sedan_Clan · 07-13-2020, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by paliknight

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

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Originally Posted by Murf993

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

This career is great.......was great. It has always been a risk-reward proposition buoyed by great compensation and a good retirement, the latter two references adding incentive for placing ourselves in danger every shift and being willing to die for something larger than ourselves. Additionally, qualified immunity allowed for us to be able to make mistakes made in good faith without the fear of callous legal ramifications and/or prosecution. Essentially it allowed us to be human. The current climate expects perfection from law enforcement; an unrealistic expectation. Couple that with the very real proposition of losing our pensions, a reduction of resources due to the "defund the police" movement and body cameras designed to allow hindsight criticism of highly dangerous, rapidly evolving and fluid situations, and you have a recipe for career disaster. It was bad enough that one incident in your career would likely lead to termination or forced retirement. Now, one incident will likely lead to an officer being charged with murder, for example, over a textbook and easily justified shooting (...e.g...criminal points gun at officer, officer shoots criminal, it's all caught on camera and the criminal's gun was recovered at the scene, but the officer gets charged with murder. WTF?!?!).

I was told many years ago by older officers that they "felt for me and others who were just beginning their careers." They went on to state that the world was no longer friendly nor respectful towards law enforcement and that I/we'd have a very difficult time bridging the chasm. These officers also stated they would never have chosen to become cops in today's world. Fast forward many years and I finally understand what they meant. It isn't worth it, and I feel for those applying and trying to get hired in a world that becomes more unfriendly by the day.

Ultimately there will be people in uniform to carry the torch, but disenchantment awaits them. It's unfortunate because the vast majority of us enter this profession to do good things and protect innocent people. We are not flawless, but we are full of heart and we enjoy being of service. It's unfortunate that we are just pawns in a much larger scheme.

I agree with everything you said my friend. The sad part is that what is happening is not what the vast majority of folks want but because of the actions of a small militant group who are supported by the MSM and virtue signalling politicians. Take care of yourself and those you work with. Stay safe.

Thank you Sir! I will definitely watch my back and the backs of my partners I work with. I've begun the countdown. I will be transferring to the courts or to the county hospital jail ward next summer. We are on a freeze currently due to the defund, but as soon as movement opens up I will be adding myself to the transfer list.

Don't sweat it. Can't speak for your communist state, but most of America supports you and your brothers in blue. Most Americans know your value and appreciate you guys and gals for it. We know the sacrifices you make while being underpaid. If it were up to me, I'd triple police funding instead of eliminating it.

Unfortunately, the people in charge only care about lining their pockets by remaining in office. I really hope everyone gets out and votes to preserve what we have left of our great country. If not, then all those who served and all those who continue to serve will be doing it in vain. And all those who sacrificed will have done it in vain.

I experienced something similar while in the army. Albeit it wasn't this severe.

However, maybe it's time to give those people what they want. You don't realize what you have until it's gone, right?

I agree 100%. Give them what they want and let them fend for themselves.

UncleWede · 07-13-2020, 11:33 AM

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I agree 100%. Give them what they want and let them fend for themselves.

You're a better "sheep dog" than that.

Sedan_Clan · 07-13-2020, 11:36 AM

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I agree 100%. Give them what they want and let them fend for themselves.

You're a better "sheep dog" than that.

I am, but it'll be out of my hands. It'll be policy disseminated down from those who run the department.

paliknight · 07-13-2020, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

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Originally Posted by paliknight

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

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Originally Posted by Murf993

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

This career is great.......was great. It has always been a risk-reward proposition buoyed by great compensation and a good retirement, the latter two references adding incentive for placing ourselves in danger every shift and being willing to die for something larger than ourselves. Additionally, qualified immunity allowed for us to be able to make mistakes made in good faith without the fear of callous legal ramifications and/or prosecution. Essentially it allowed us to be human. The current climate expects perfection from law enforcement; an unrealistic expectation. Couple that with the very real proposition of losing our pensions, a reduction of resources due to the "defund the police" movement and body cameras designed to allow hindsight criticism of highly dangerous, rapidly evolving and fluid situations, and you have a recipe for career disaster. It was bad enough that one incident in your career would likely lead to termination or forced retirement. Now, one incident will likely lead to an officer being charged with murder, for example, over a textbook and easily justified shooting (...e.g...criminal points gun at officer, officer shoots criminal, it's all caught on camera and the criminal's gun was recovered at the scene, but the officer gets charged with murder. WTF?!?!).

I was told many years ago by older officers that they "felt for me and others who were just beginning their careers." They went on to state that the world was no longer friendly nor respectful towards law enforcement and that I/we'd have a very difficult time bridging the chasm. These officers also stated they would never have chosen to become cops in today's world. Fast forward many years and I finally understand what they meant. It isn't worth it, and I feel for those applying and trying to get hired in a world that becomes more unfriendly by the day.

Ultimately there will be people in uniform to carry the torch, but disenchantment awaits them. It's unfortunate because the vast majority of us enter this profession to do good things and protect innocent people. We are not flawless, but we are full of heart and we enjoy being of service. It's unfortunate that we are just pawns in a much larger scheme.

I agree with everything you said my friend. The sad part is that what is happening is not what the vast majority of folks want but because of the actions of a small militant group who are supported by the MSM and virtue signalling politicians. Take care of yourself and those you work with. Stay safe.

Thank you Sir! I will definitely watch my back and the backs of my partners I work with. I've begun the countdown. I will be transferring to the courts or to the county hospital jail ward next summer. We are on a freeze currently due to the defund, but as soon as movement opens up I will be adding myself to the transfer list.

Don't sweat it. Can't speak for your communist state, but most of America supports you and your brothers in blue. Most Americans know your value and appreciate you guys and gals for it. We know the sacrifices you make while being underpaid. If it were up to me, I'd triple police funding instead of eliminating it.

Unfortunately, the people in charge only care about lining their pockets by remaining in office. I really hope everyone gets out and votes to preserve what we have left of our great country. If not, then all those who served and all those who continue to serve will be doing it in vain. And all those who sacrificed will have done it in vain.

I experienced something similar while in the army. Albeit it wasn't this severe.

However, maybe it's time to give those people what they want. You don't realize what you have until it's gone, right?

I agree 100%. Give them what they want and let them fend for themselves.

It's ok. When they call 911 they can get the new SWAT (Social Workers And Therapists) teams instead of LEOs.

And when the US gets invaded, they can just peacefully talk North Korea, Russia, or China out of colonizing the US.

scostu · 07-13-2020, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by paliknight

It's ok. When they call 911 they can get the new SWAT (Social Workers And Therapists) teams instead of LEOs.
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Like this.....charlie foxtrot in the making.

St. Petersburg police chief, mayor announce new team to respond to non-violent calls

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/r...ine-department

Instead of sending a police officer, a CAL member will respond to the following issues:

Disorderly intoxication
Drug overdoes
Intoxicated person
Mental health crisis
Suicide crisis
Mental health transport
Disorderly juvenile/ truancy
Disorderly juvenile at elementary schools
Panhandling
Homeless complaints
Neighborhood dispute

paliknight · 07-13-2020, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by scostu

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Originally Posted by paliknight

It's ok. When they call 911 they can get the new SWAT (Social Workers And Therapists) teams instead of LEOs.
.

Like this.....charlie foxtrot in the making.

St. Petersburg police chief, mayor announce new team to respond to non-violent calls

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/r...ine-department

Instead of sending a police officer, a CAL member will respond to the following issues:

Disorderly intoxication
Drug overdoes
Intoxicated person
Mental health crisis
Suicide crisis
Mental health transport
Disorderly juvenile/ truancy
Disorderly juvenile at elementary schools
Panhandling
Homeless complaints
Neighborhood dispute

Sladester100 · 07-13-2020, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by paliknight

It's ok. When they call 911 they can get the new SWAT (Social Workers And Therapists) teams instead of LEOs...

Wait

You mean you aren’t just a glorified social worker and therapist already as an officer over in the US and being dispatched to ‘he/she said this horrible thing on Facebook to me” complaints...

Sedan_Clan · 07-13-2020, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by scostu

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Originally Posted by paliknight

It's ok. When they call 911 they can get the new SWAT (Social Workers And Therapists) teams instead of LEOs.
.

Like this.....charlie foxtrot in the making.

St. Petersburg police chief, mayor announce new team to respond to non-violent calls

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/r...ine-department

Instead of sending a police officer, a CAL member will respond to the following issues:

Disorderly intoxication
Drug overdoes
Intoxicated person
Mental health crisis
Suicide crisis
Mental health transport
Disorderly juvenile/ truancy
Disorderly juvenile at elementary schools
Panhandling
Homeless complaints
Neighborhood dispute

This is going to end very badly.

TrevorM3 · 07-13-2020, 06:27 PM

why do so many lessons have to be learned the hard way?

Sedan_Clan · 07-13-2020, 06:29 PM

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why do so many lessons have to be learned the hard way?

That's a good question. A small isolated island is looking very attractive right now.

scostu · 07-13-2020, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

This is going to end very badly.

Social worker gets attacked and then PD has to send 3-6 LEO's to fix the mess that .......if 1 original LEO had been dispatched ....would have been solved.

Sedan_Clan · 07-13-2020, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by scostu

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

This is going to end very badly.

Social worker gets attacked and then PD has to send 3-6 LEO's to fix the mess that .......if 1 original LEO had been dispatched ....would have been solved.

Exactly! ....and said SW will be suing for injuries sustained because [insert department here] sent her into a dangerous situation without any protection. It'll be circular and we'll all be saying, "We told ya so!"

bigrum · 07-13-2020, 08:36 PM

I live outside of Seattle relatively (but still watch the news) and I see all the dumb shit going on. Defund the police? Really? REALLY? They were already defunded you stupid motherfuckers. I really appreciate what the police do every day risking their lives for complete strangers when it comes to public safety.

Let any one of these stupid ass hippies put their life on the line for someone else and see what they do...

Sedan_Clan · 07-13-2020, 08:45 PM

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I live outside of Seattle relatively (but still watch the news) and I see all the dumb shit going on. Defund the police? Really? REALLY? They were already defunded you stupid motherfuckers. I really appreciate what the police do every day risking their lives for complete strangers when it comes to public safety.

Let any one of these stupid ass hippies put their life on the line for someone else and see what they do...

I used to frequent Seattle often (...I dated a woman in Green Lake for about 6 months the end of 2018 into 2019). While there, I regularly spoke with LEO's from the Port Police. They would tell me how Seattle P.D. was a wreck and how the department was dealing with a lot of attrition due to the lack of support. They stated that King County Sheriff was a better option than Seattle P.D. as well. Was Seattle P.D. defunded?

BimmerDimmer6 · 07-13-2020, 08:50 PM

Have you ever got a chick number while on job

Sedan_Clan · 07-13-2020, 08:52 PM

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Have you ever got a chick number while on job

In the world of hidden cameras and YouTube, I wouldn't chance it. It's just too risky.

BimmerDimmer6 · 07-13-2020, 09:01 PM

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Have you ever got a chick number while on job

In the world of hidden cameras and YouTube, I wouldn't chance it. It's just too risky.

Damn.

I always have this reoccurring dream that I'm a cop and just slinging dick left and right. Pulling cuties over and they try to seduce me to get out of a ticket. I was trying to live vicariously through you, but is a no go.

Sedan_Clan · 07-13-2020, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BimmerDimmer6

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

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Originally Posted by BimmerDimmer6

Have you ever got a chick number while on job

In the world of hidden cameras and YouTube, I wouldn't chance it. It's just too risky.

Damn.

I always have this reoccurring dream that I'm a cop and just slinging dick left and right. Pulling cuties over and they try to seduce me to get out of a ticket. I was trying to live vicariously through you, but is a no go.

Maybe 7 years ago.

With that said, there's nothing wrong with the casual/consensual encounter in a Starbucks that results in the acquisition of a phone number.

paliknight · 07-13-2020, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Sladester100

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Originally Posted by paliknight

It's ok. When they call 911 they can get the new SWAT (Social Workers And Therapists) teams instead of LEOs...

Wait

You mean you aren’t just a glorified social worker and therapist already as an officer over in the US and being dispatched to ‘he/she said this horrible thing on Facebook to me” complaints...

I'm not law enforcement

Murf993 · 07-14-2020, 07:45 AM

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Maybe 7 years ago.

With that said, there's nothing wrong with the casual/consensual encounter in a Starbucks that results in the acquisition of a phone number.

I know guys would hit on women that they had done Traffic stops on for example. Dangerous proposition as you are a person in position of authority in a situation like that. But there is plenty of opportunity to chat with women when you're working and those encounters can work out well. There are women out there who like the police (same for lots of professions really, FD, EMS, MD's, Military). If you're LEO they know a lot about you off the get go, you're not a criminal, have a good job etc.

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