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02-12-2020, 08:07 AM | #23 |
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Both sound great and different, but opening up that S65 will definitely make it less "quiet and calm".
Two of the best NA V8s BMW will ever make.
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Seriously never heard of the S65 referred to as “calm” before. Quiet, perhaps with the stock exhaust, but calm? Not once you rev last 6k. Not what I’d call calm. Frantic is the word that comes to mind.
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Yea that is very true, even the cold start on a stock car doesn't give a "calm" feeling but everyone is different.
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Absolutely. Stock for stock, the E39 M5 is much quieter than the E90 M3 especially at high revs/WOT as you mention. The M5 is also quieter outside.
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The E90M is LOUD outside at WOT for a stock sedan. It's sad how little of that makes it inside. I had many people ask me if the car had an aftermarket exhaust on it before I had the MPE, when it was completely stock.
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I've also had both, albeit not at the same time. I echo everything CSBM5 has to say. They're vastly different driving experiences similar only in the fact that they have V8s and 4 doors.
Now if you like the low-end sledgehammer TQ of the S62, apparently a Dinan stroker S65 is the perfect blend of both engines. Definitely a bucket list item for me. Low end S62 grunt combined with top end mania of the S65... Bliss.
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Cams/headers on the S62 gets a similar result... for a much lower price. There's a reason BMW was still using the S62 as their race engine after the e9X finished production.
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It was really interesting (as a mechanical engineer) to listen to him talk about the areas they found power in the S62/S65 engine, especially the discussion about pumping losses where they found huge efficiency improvements (obviously didn't discuss the details). As a side note I asked him about S62 rod bearings, and he said the stock S62 bearings worked fine in the DP engine but of course they rebuild the engines and change them out about every 27 hours of usage (this was in 2010 when there was an M5board rod bearing panic continually fed by one member trying to make a mountain out of a molehill).
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The E39 M5 has still always been one of my favorite cars ever since it was in Need for Speed video game. I just couldn't imagine how something so practical, beautiful and fast could all be packaged in one car. However, the E39 was more of a don't meet your hero car for me. Insanely pretty inside and out, but I don't think it warrants the crazy prices they command now. I at least understand why the E46 M3 has exploded in price. I would have loved to add an Imola Red/Caramel M5, but I can't justify having that and an E92 M3 in the garage. I'd rather have something completely different like the E36 or the Z4M.
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