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      04-08-2008, 03:54 PM   #1
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Talking M5board video - E92 M3 vs. 997 C2S

The one we have been waiting for....

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...d.php?t=116526

Looks like Gustav is still posting....go over there and demand he put it up.

Doesn't look too good for the VW Beetle cum "modern" sportscar
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      04-08-2008, 04:57 PM   #2
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It's a shame the start seems to be missed for the video, though the result speaks volumes, it wasn't even that tight a match.

I am more and more looking forward to ownership.
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      04-08-2008, 05:23 PM   #3
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Oh snap ... C2S = lose. Glad I didn't go Porsche.
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      04-08-2008, 06:44 PM   #4
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Here is the link for the vid

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      04-08-2008, 08:12 PM   #5
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      04-08-2008, 09:18 PM   #6
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Isn't the C2S 355hp? Not very surprising here.
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      04-08-2008, 09:24 PM   #7
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Isn't the C2S 355hp? Not very surprising here.
Yes, however, claimed weight is 3,131 lbs (Manual) and 3,219 lbs (Tiptronic S).
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Yes, however, claimed weight is 3,131 lbs (Manual) and 3,219 lbs (Tiptronic S).
I guess 60 hp makes up the difference + more in weight
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      04-08-2008, 11:06 PM   #9
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Great vid!! Wow!
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      04-08-2008, 11:07 PM   #10
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what a crap video and he wants u to buy the DVD, please -bye bye gustavo!
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Is it a manual carrera? Wicked result!
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wow i thought it would be a tighter match than that... cant believe the m3 ate the carrera s
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      04-09-2008, 01:46 AM   #13
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I thought they would be closer actually.

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      04-09-2008, 02:25 AM   #14
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The next update on the 2009 Carrera would be a direct injection and DSG gearbox. That will add around 20hp and faster gear shifts. I think that would really come close to an m3's performance.
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The next update on the 2009 Carrera would be a direct injection and DSG gearbox. That will add around 20hp and faster gear shifts. I think that would really come close to an m3's performance.
But then the swedes will use a DCT M3...
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The next update on the 2009 Carrera would be a direct injection and DSG gearbox. That will add around 20hp and faster gear shifts. I think that would really come close to an m3's performance.
Predicted 385-390 horsepower with a PDK gearbox. Id bet it would probably beat the M3 DCT, or at least stay with it.
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Predicted 385-390 horsepower with a PDK gearbox. Id bet it would probably beat the M3 DCT, or at least stay with it.
Its all good stuff! Lets wait and see, both cars are brilliant!
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But then the swedes will use a DCT M3...
Yeh ....the DCT on the M3 is going to be awesome bro. Double clutch is the future.
Do I dare say it will be better then DSG(PDK)......only time will tell!

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Predicted 385-390 horsepower with a PDK gearbox. Id bet it would probably beat the M3 DCT, or at least stay with it.
Haha.....I didnt want to say that on an M3board. Flame suit on

Honestly, I hope Carrera is faster then a M3.The reason behind is that, I think the Carrera is a high end car and I wouldnt like loosing to a car that is 20k cheaper then mine. Carrera is a performance oriented car and it just has to be fast in straight and curves.
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It's an in-gear acceleration test from 50km/h to 260km/h, not a standing start comparison.

Stock 997 C2S runs the E92 M3 very close up to 160km/h. Beyond 160km/h the M3's greater HP has the advantage.

Not a surprising result.
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I thought they would be closer actually.

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I am watching.

I would have thought it would have been closer as well. I would expect the M to run harder on top, but this proves the M to be very fast. I hope that these are equally strong/ good examples.

If this is truely indicative of the disparity between these two cars, then kudos +1 to BMW. I just do not know that I truely believe it. The numerous road tests do not support this kind of whipping. Nothing against Gustav, but it does seem that he will find an M that will beat just about everything.

We will have to see what PAG gives the 911S. After seeing this video, anything shy of a 30 HP bump with DI will fall short.

M-DCT and PDK will be a wash.
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I just do not know that I truely believe it. The numerous road tests do not support this kind of whipping. Nothing against Gustav, but it does seem that he will find an M that will beat just about everything.
This might make me fall out of favour with some other members but I couldn't agree more this your comments, I have watched the RS4 being beaten by cars which are nothing more than equals, the M5 and M6 defeating things which should clear win with ease and this too seem to be another occasion when the result differs from what should be expected.

Until this event loses it's BMW status it will always be seen as favoring the Munich brand.
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      04-09-2008, 11:10 AM   #22
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This is a bit surprising. I wouldn't have thought that the 911S would have been owned in this respect. It's not just a matter of what happens above 100mph, they seem to be going fairly slow at the beginning although it is hard to tell. Why didn't they just show the rolling start?
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