Flu Shot vs No Flu Shot

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by minn19

Yup, you are right, the flu is always in the top ten for US (and worldwide) causes of death every year. Totally unnecessary and only fear mongering..........

I'm not denying it kills a lot of people each, most of which are in poor health thus should take the risk and get the vaccine (did you not read my post?).

Do you not realize that the drug companies have to take an educated guess at which flu strain will be hitting for the season? Many times they miss. And sometimes the vaccine actually gives people the flu. I find it amusing how many people that get the flu shot actually get the flu every year. I don't get the shot. The last time I had the flu was 1996. My wife hasn't had the flu since the 1990s. My 10 y/o daughter and 13 y/o son have never had it either. My wife and kids have never had the shot either. We all eat healthy, are thin, and maintain healthy lifestyles. That probably has a lot to do with it.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

I'm not denying it kills a lot of people each, most of which are in poor health thus should take the risk and get the vaccine (did you not read my post?).

Do you not realize that the drug companies have to take an educated guess at which flu strain will be hitting for the season? Many times they miss. And sometimes the vaccine actually gives people the flu.

I did read it. I don’t think you did or much else legitimate info on the subject or you wouldn’t be making the one claim and would understand the other better.

[Mandi90TT]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

I'm not denying it kills a lot of people each, most of which are in poor health thus should take the risk and get the vaccine (did you not read my post?).

Do you not realize that the drug companies have to take an educated guess at which flu strain will be hitting for the season? Many times they miss. And sometimes the vaccine actually gives people the flu. I find it amusing how many people that get the flu shot actually get the flu every year. I don't get the shot. The last time I had the flu was 1996.

Wow, the stupid in this amazes me.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by minn19

I did read it, I don’t think you did or much else legitimate info on the subject or you wouldn’t be making the one claim and would understand the other better.

I know a thing or two about vaccines and the research. My kids are not vaccinated. OMG the terror!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[minn19]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

I know a thing or two about vaccines and the research. My kids are not vaccinated. OMG the terror!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is your choice, but I feel for your kids and the community at large. I’m guessing you won’t be so flippant when they come down with the measles or really severe case of the flu.

[XutvJet]

Originally Posted by minn19

It is your choice, but I feel for your kids and the community at large. I’m guessing you won’t be so flippant when they come down with the measles or really severe case of the flu.

Show me the last time someone died in the US because of acquiring measles. Yes, it can kill, but it's EXTREMELY rare. In 99%+ of the cases in a developed country, the measles amounts to cold-like symptoms and a rash.

With that said, my wife and I are not against vaccines. There is a time and place for them. It's simply risk management. We didn't vaccinate because we do not believe it's a good idea to be injecting an infant/young child (sub 2 y/o) with all sorts of vaccines/drugs who's immune system is just getting started. Autism, thimerosal, etc. were not the drivers for us. We researched the hell out of this before making the decision.

One thing is for certain, we do not blindly do what the CDC recommends. Consider the source of the information and who is lobbying them and the fact that you can't sue if their recommendation resulted in injuring/killing your loved one. Research and make your own personnel informed decision. No one can force you to take a drug.

Our children have been incredibly healthy from the start and have been that way they're whole life. They've gotten a few colds and fevers here and there, but that's it. I can't say the same for most kids we know, nearly all of which are loaded with drugs and are vaccinated.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

I'm not denying it kills a lot of people each, most of which are in poor health thus should take the risk and get the vaccine (did you not read my post?).

Do you not realize that the drug companies have to take an educated guess at which flu strain will be hitting for the season? Many times they miss. And sometimes the vaccine actually gives people the flu. I find it amusing how many people that get the flu shot actually get the flu every year. I don't get the shot. The last time I had the flu was 1996. My wife hasn't had the flu since the 1990s. My 10 y/o daughter and 13 y/o son have never had it either. My wife and kids have never had the shot either. We all eat healthy, are thin, and maintain healthy lifestyles. That probably has a lot to do with it.

The flu shot cannot give you the flu. It's an inactive virus, if you get sick after you were already exposed and getting sick from another source. Would have gotten sick with or without the shot.

[Maynard]

Ok, in the usa, where most are immunized, very few (but not zero) measles deaths - but that is because it is virtually eliminated here. Worldwide it claims over 100k per year (WHO says 145,000 in 2014).

Also a good place to mention that those of you who forgo immunizations provide a handy breeding ground for those bugs to mutate and develop resistance, so thanks for helping drag us back towards the third world with this type of anti-science rhetoric. The 'they look healthy so we must have made the right choice' may let you feel good, until it fails completely - I seldom heard parents saying things like 'we knew it was gonna happen' at the bedside.

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

Show me the last time someone died in the US because of acquiring measles. Yes, it can kill, but it's EXTREMELY rare. In 99%+ of the cases in a developed country, the measles amounts to cold-like symptoms and a rash.

With that said, my wife and I are not against vaccines. There is a time and place for them. It's simply risk management. We didn't vaccinate because we do not believe it's a good idea to be injecting an infant/young child (sub 2 y/o) with all sorts of vaccines/drugs who's immune system is just getting started. Autism, thimerosal, etc. were not the drivers for us. We researched the hell out of this before making the decision.

One thing is for certain, we do not blindly do what the CDC recommends. Consider the source of the information and who is lobbying them and the fact that you can't sue if their recommendation resulted in injuring/killing your loved one. Research and make your own personnel informed decision. No one can force you to take a drug.

Our children have been incredibly healthy from the start and have been that way they're whole life. They've gotten a few colds and fevers here and there, but that's it. I can't say the same for most kids we know, nearly all of which are loaded with drugs and are vaccinated.

What are your preferred research sources?

[bbbbmw]

Originally Posted by Maynard

Ok, in the usa, where most are immunized, very few (but not zero) measles deaths - but that is because it is virtually eliminated here. Worldwide it claims over 100k per year (WHO says 145,000 in 2014).

Also a good place to mention that those of you who forgo immunizations provide a handy breeding ground for those bugs to mutate and develop resistance, so thanks for helping drag us back towards the third world with this type of anti-science rhetoric. The 'they look healthy so we must have made the right choice' may let you feel good, until it fails completely - I seldom heard parents saying things like 'we knew it was gonna happen' at the bedside.

Measles:

Complications occur in about 30% of cases and may include diarrhea, blindness, inflammation of the brain, and pneumonia, among others.

Nine out of ten people who are not immune and share living space with an infected person will catch it.

Measles affects about 20 million people a year, primarily in the developing areas of Africa and Asia. No other vaccine-preventable disease causes as many deaths. In 1980, 2.6 million people died of it, and in 1990, 545,000 died; by 2014, global vaccination programs had reduced the number of deaths from measles to 73,000. The risk of death among those infected is usually 0.2%, but may be up to 10% in people with malnutrition. Most of those who die from the infection are less than five years old. Measles is not believed to affect other animals. Before immunization in the United States, between three and four million cases occurred each year. As a result of widespread vaccination, the disease was declared eliminated from the Americas in 2016. It, however, occurred again in 2017 and 2018 in this region.

The measles vaccine is effective at preventing the disease, and is often delivered in combination with other vaccines. Vaccination has resulted in a 75% decrease in deaths from measles between 2000 and 2013, with about 85% of children worldwide being currently vaccinated. Once a person has become infected, no specific treatment is available, but supportive care may improve outcomes. This may include giving oral rehydration solution (slightly sweet and salty fluids), healthy food, and medications to control the fever. Antibiotics may be used if a secondary bacterial infection such as pneumonia occurs. Vitamin A supplementation is also recommended in the developing world.

[NemesisX]

ZdoggMD speaking about the resurgence of measles in Texas and how an anti-vaxxer nurse was fired (rightfully so).

[kscarrol]

Originally Posted by RickFLM4

What are your preferred research sources?

Research should have shown that flu shots use inactive virus and do not cause flu. Still his choice but I question the sources he is using...

[RickFLM4]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

Research should have shown that flu shots use inactive virus and do not cause flu. Still his choice but I question the sources he is using...

That's why I was wondering the sources. "Well researched" and some of the commentary, including the part you point out, don't seem to reconcile.

[Maynard]

Originally Posted by bbbbmw

Measles:

......Before immunization in the United States, between three and four million cases occurred each year. As a result of widespread vaccination, the disease was declared eliminated from the Americas in 2016....... [worldwide] No other vaccine-preventable disease causes as many deaths.

Very true, and well stated. Let's not forget that we eliminated smallpox WORLDWIDE by getting everybody on board w/ immunizations. Or perhaps just more proof of the power of fake science (because we all know that It was just a media hoax in the first place, right - I mean, I've worked in hospitals most of my adult life, and I've never seen a case).

[UncleWede]

How rapidly do any of MMR/pox mutate? Why don't we need boosters after about age 12, never mind every year?

[other_evolved]

Originally Posted by XutvJet

I'm not denying it kills a lot of people each, most of which are in poor health thus should take the risk and get the vaccine (did you not read my post?).

Do you not realize that the drug companies have to take an educated guess at which flu strain will be hitting for the season? Many times they miss. And sometimes the vaccine actually gives people the flu. I find it amusing how many people that get the flu shot actually get the flu every year. I don't get the shot. The last time I had the flu was 1996. My wife hasn't had the flu since the 1990s. My 10 y/o daughter and 13 y/o son have never had it either. My wife and kids have never had the shot either. We all eat healthy, are thin, and maintain healthy lifestyles. That probably has a lot to do with it.

NO

[PA135ii]

Got mine Tuesday night. and it hurt like a bugger.

[catcher22]

Can someone provide evidence that they actually adjust the flu shot in the middle of the season?

I'm reading here that some folks wait until later in the season to get the flu shot so they get an "adjusted" flu shot.

From my understanding and research, there is no adjusted flu shot.

They create a single flu vaccine for the entire year several months before the flu season even hits. I don't recall them ever distributing an adjusted flu shot in the middle of the season. Every website I've checked says to get it as early as possible in the season. I see no reason to wait to get your flu shot.

[1MOREMOD]

No they do not only time its happened was 2008 or whenever the h1n1 scare was.

[The Chaddening]

Nope, been fine without it and have no plans to get one this year.

[Maynard]

If you can sweet talk somebody who works in international medicine, they do produce wider-band versions that cover more strains, but mucho dinero (or join the military). You'll also learn about more scary shit than you ever wanted to imagine (until recently 'modern medicine' meant diseases of the Americas and northern Europe, and it's a big planet, so lots of gnarly stuff out there)

[1MOREMOD]

I got one and somehow woke up in mexico