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If you read I wrote earlier you'll see that I am not questioning their performance in terms of their output--their power/displacement characteristics. That's why they are used in racing. Are you saying a turbo charged engine will have the same response characteristics as a NA engine and will be as smooth as a NA engine of similar power output but with more cylinders?
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11-02-2007, 06:44 PM | #91 |
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I'm not in the mood to flame you. You're just wanting to arouse reactions from the guys here, that's legitimate (here could be a drinking smiley but I'm giving that up). Best regards, south |
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11-02-2007, 07:03 PM | #94 | |
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Oil will probably be 100 dollars a barrel before the end of the month. 5 years from now, gas will be how much? I may be able to afford a 15 mile per premium gallon then, but I am not going to be without hesitation when I drive the car for a significant amount of miles. One must also remeber the insurance premiums keeps ticking away whether we drive the car or not. Clean burning diesels like the 335d are really the wave of the future. I don't know how clean burning the Audi Lemans cars are, but they have been making mince meat of their petrol fueled competition. If I was really smart, I would get the 335d when it's introduced in the States, probably fall 2008. The car has 428 lbs of blistering torque and gets 35 mpg on the combined cycle and is a autobahn racing champion. In addition, 300k miles should be a breeze for car if it is well maintained. At the elevation where I live, a base 335 will definately stay with the M3 in the short run and a power modded 335 will definately out gun it in the straights. I am not planning on modding the car I choose, unless the car needs an LSD. I will be buying the stripper version of whatever car I choose. I know if I choose the DFI Cayman S, it will be relatively gutless in these parts but but so is almost everything not sporting FI. The Cayman is possibly the best handling daily driver on the planet. Base 60 k makes it a relative bargain when one prices other world class handling cars. Precision and tossability are it's forte and worth a lot in my book. The Cayman is not a better car than the M3 and the M3 is not a better car than the Cayman. Both are about the same price. One just does certain things better in certain areas than the other and vice versa. It is simple, it boils down to the driving experience one desires. Living in Boston in the heart of Sox nation, I think the M3 is an easier choice over the 335. It is just difficult to pass on such a great bargain performer as the 335. BMW outdid themselves with this car making it tough on potential M3 buyers. As this forum thread states, I would suggest people get a stick version of whatever normally aspirated performance car they choose and hold on to it. This type of set up already has one foot in the grave. And if the winds of change are favorable, we may get lucky and end up with a true classic. |
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11-02-2007, 07:14 PM | #95 |
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For the better
Well once many of us got "over the hump" (the hump of generally gruff replies and responses) on this thread, somewhere around post #57 by UBMW, I will have to say I have honestly very much enjoyed it. Ruff, congratulations for stirring up a the pot and I do now mean that in a very positive way! Not sure if you could have "calculated" any of the replies but hats off if you even had an idea. Great discussion and great comments by many.
-ruff your point about the Caddy was quite solid, an almost perfect example about brand loyalty overwhelming objective analysis -GregW - nice insight on brand loyalty as well, and that it is not always a bad thing -sdiver68 - perfect addition of some clever humor to a thread that needed it -mkoesel - right on the money about "carpe diem" -Keto - great point about how folks make decisions - data vs. consensus There were ceratinly other enjoyable points along the way as well. to all (except south the m3post.com drunk (sarcasm)) |
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11-02-2007, 07:35 PM | #99 | |
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The insurance thing is somewhat of an unknown. I have not owned a car in this risk category before, and I have no idea what will happen to my payments. Currently, I'm paying $1100/year for full 300/500 coverage. I expect that to at least double. I called up my insurance company and asked them to price me a policy--just in case they had the M3 in their database--but they knew nothing about it. I understand they can't possibly price the collision coverage without knowing the MSRP, but I was more interested in the liability numbers, which make up the most of the cost. |
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11-02-2007, 07:42 PM | #101 | |
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11-02-2007, 07:47 PM | #102 |
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11-02-2007, 08:08 PM | #103 |
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Jeez South, now that is what I call falling off the wagon before ever getting both feet back on it. Your so called sobriety lasted a paltry 33 minutes. Not a good idea for me or anyone else to buy you a beer or mouthwash for that matter.
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11-02-2007, 08:39 PM | #104 | |
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I'm saying yes, depending upon design, turbos can be every bit as tractable as NA cars, or simply high HP monsters with horrendous lag, or even make a diesel engine with respectable output for its size. Turbos have gotten a bad rap due to the ill-conceived designs out there, those manufacturers that just slapped a turbo onto an engine to raise HP with less concern for tractability. I understand the some people love the "romance" of NA and/or conventional manual trannies. If that's your thing, great! When I want that raw, visceral, connected feeling I borrow my old GSXR600 race bike from the team mate I sold it to and drag my knees across the pavement at GIR. Different strokes for different folks.... I'm a turbo, semi-auto guy because I believe those are the superior technologies as proven at various level of auto road racing. |
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11-02-2007, 09:04 PM | #105 | |
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The only thing that is funny in this entire thread is that ruff doesn't understand why members of an M3 forum are biased.
Even more hilarious is the fact that ruff doesn't realize that alot of people would derive more pleasure out of a BMW badge than they would a marginal increase in 'steering feel.' |
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11-02-2007, 10:27 PM | #107 | |
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Agreed. Ruff is a strange one- passive aggressive and some other oddities as well. Bottom line he wants to stir up drama and get some attention. Look at the result............80 some odd replies and counting. I wager a $5.00 dollar bet he'll never buy one......... |
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11-02-2007, 11:32 PM | #108 |
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Too bad there isn't something like a Pellegrino-smiley... Best regards, south |
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11-03-2007, 09:42 AM | #110 | |
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