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I am in Florida now and picked up an e92 this past summer .. so the excel spreadsheet of mods has started to fillup :-) I have pretty much everything i want picked out but A) Do I want to go FI again B) If so, what kit -- not going nuts like last time .. will be bolt on. |
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Definitely looking forward to a quality presentation like the ECU Tuning video. One question, is a E625 kit the highest stage available? From looking on the website I do see the E600 (6-6.7 psi) and E625 (7-7.5 psi).
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Thats not accurate. Those stock runs in that graph are with just an air filter and rear- stilly fully catted. Catless and tune it did about 370. |
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All of those points are debatable, as the word "best" is completely subjective. $2k more than tried and true competitors that have been on the market for a *long* time now is something that *really* has to be considered. To me, each kit has strong point and weak points, making each attractive in its own way. LOVE the IM on the Evolve kit, best one I've seen, bar none. But is that alone worth a $2k price bump? Function over form for me, I'd like to see flow rate for each. |
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1. I have been on the market for a supercharger for well over a year, I have seen and first hand experience with many of the kits that were available before the Evolve kit came out. I was really not that impressed. (overall build quality of many and some with the service) For example (and not to state any negative) one of my friends had a ESS kit installed on his E92 M3, and after installing everything the bumper did not sit right and a few others things, not fault of ESS, but turned me off the kit. 2. Customer Service is huge in my book, currently I have been bugging Sal for tweets to my tune and without just ignoring my 100+ emails he takes care of it free of charge. I mean how can you beat that? I believe I have been had over a dozen revisions to my current tune and I am very happy that they have assisted me. 3. A kit that not everyone runs, I was really considering purchasing a VF kit, but after reading reviews and talking to some vendors and my personal experience with VF and there lack of customer service, I just knew that not many (currently only 2 Evolve Setups in the US) are running the kit. 4. The Evolve kit for sure is over engineered, I love it! From my research on Evolve they love to test every component and make sure it will last. I want to be confident in my investment and know that even if I put 1000+ miles on it the components will last and whatever I do have to replace will be minor. I am currently running the Evolve E-tronic, and yes it is a bit higher in price, but when you look at the quality of how it was made and how well things just fit I am happy to dish out the money, knowing that I am purchasing something quality and will last. You can call me a Fanboy all you want, And I am not going to lie I am one. But when I am treated like a king whenever I have a request or question that makes me happy and I don't mind paying for something I know is quality. |
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I agree, it took me over a year to figure out what I wanted. And don't get me wrong I have been tempted with the many used sale threads out there. At the end of the day it is what makes you happy. The evolve kit fit my criteria of what I wanted in a kit. And I do not regret parting ways with my hard earned money.
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The individual pieces that make up each respective kit can easily be compared. Its not as if the price is arbitrarily raised over the competition, the value is in quality. But your not buying individual pieces, your buying a kit. So as a kit, form follows function. You asked for flow rates, we already know a vortech flows about 50cc higher than a rotrex. no big deal in terms of power, maybe a few hp at first glance. But then, again, the total package, A-A IC vs A-W, is the A-A doing a better job at fighting heat? I personally think so given the data we have seen, meaning you keep the power your making and not retarding timing in the IAT tables. Secondly, the S/C characteristics of each come into play. That rotrex sure does look to come to life about 500-1k rpms sooner than a vortech. Does it matter in a race? maybe, maybe not. Does it matter on the street when your not going full throttle, I would say so. I dont intend to stir up another tuner battle, but both have been in the business for a long time, so you can negate your "vs an established company" theory, because they both are. Buy whichever you like more - or can afford. Noone really cares both are good choices, but there is a market for the differences in any kit you buy. |
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As far as I'm concerned, as I previously stated, there are things about each kit that I like. We all know you have to pay to play. MY opinion (everyone has one) is that I carefully weigh the price point when I'm about to step into the ring. Like opinions, everyone has a varying price points that they're willing to pay. mkPOTO has his, as indicated by his purchase. And I have mine. Nothing wrong with differences, my man. I may decide that I want to play at that point and forgo picking up a MKIV a little longer. Who knows.... Last edited by whats77inaname; 01-30-2014 at 12:45 PM.. |
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Outside teh variables noted above, the most important things to consider on the S/C S65 is 1) quality fuel and 2) DA's. One day I'll be doing high 8 to low 9 second 60-130's runs on the VBox in the heat of the SoCal high-elevation deserts and then later that night at 2am back home at sea level I'll be seeing high 6's. The effect on my turbo 911 is far less dramatic, where I'm seeing high 7's on a hot day and low 7's on a cold evening. This variability on the M3 has made me give up on it for straight line racing, as I can't control DA's. As it relates to S/C M3's, I prefer to air to air (and frankly am extremely impressed with the Evolve system) but it will not differ much as compare to the air to water counterparts as IAT's just aren't that significant of a variable.
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Like I previously stated, the S65 is a VERY IAT sensitive motor (perhaps it's something pre-programmed into the DME, perhaps its the motor itself). This has been shown on N/A and Supercharged cars, that once IAT suppression has gone to shit the motor slow pulls timing (E85 has shown to counter this, but that it is a direct benefit provided by ethanol's "cooling" properties as a fuel). Their is nothing wrong with the Air/Water or Air/Air kits, they both will have their advantages. For someone who strictly wants a single purpose, 1/4 mile or 60-130 car then Air/Water will be better as long as the water temp is kept down. I haven't seen an ice box's for the E9x M3 Air/Water kits, but I think it'd def be a very worthwhile mod (Weistec sells them for their M156 Supercharger kits). The Air/Air kits are undeniably better suited for cars that are street driven or track raced. While the initial IAT reduction will not beat a "fresh" Air/Water car, the passive air flow will keep the IATs consistent and (over the long term) lower than an Air/Water kit. This is also one of the reasons I'm disappointed the F3x M3/M4 is Air/Water, and expect an Air/Air conversion to be an aftermarket option. Air/Water is far from ideal on street cars, and tends to be used A) in factory supercharger applications (Terminator Mustang, B8 S4, x55 AMG Mercs, etc) or B) when an aftermarket Air/Air system isn't feasible (Ex: TT-Lambos/R8s, an Air/Air is completely unrealistic without chopping the car up because of the cars design/layout).
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I dont debate quality fuel, but in marketing tactics that could be many things. mixing 93 and race fuel is not quality fuel, its racegas mix. Run the highest pump octane you can find or dont bring it up. your either on pump fuel or race gas. If you want to know what the car is doing, then use the fuel you normally do. If you want to know what you most capable of, use the race fuel. I dont care, nobody does, but you better say it when posting results or its shady and misleading. As for your M vS 911, you have another variable, and thats cooling. One was designed from the ground up to support long high performance driving with boost, the other was not and is only doing the best it can. If you want to compare A-A and A-W then please do, because every other platform knows that A-A will combat heat better over a longer time. water is great at dissipating heat, until its hot, then it takes longer to cool than the aluminum. I request, if you want debate that, find some tech articles and start a new thread, we can do it in there. |
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My current focus is on my truck, which I'm converting to a 5MT in my garage, so the car hasn't rec'd much attention lately. I've been more focused on the acquisition of parts to continue my build after my truck is finished. When the time arrives, I'll start the appropriate thread(s), as I'm also interested in seeing what an E85 mix does w/the Vishnu. That all being said, this thread isn't about me or my builds, so if you have add'l questions, feel free to PM me |
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