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06-03-2013, 02:55 PM | #1 |
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"It's Incredibly Confusing To Put A $127,000 BMW M6 In Park"
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06-03-2013, 03:09 PM | #2 |
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Ugh, it's not terribly intuitive, but takes minimal effort to figure out. Who did this guy get the keys from? Apparently some bozo. Who would hand over a new M6 without some rudimentary instruction on it's use?
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06-03-2013, 04:50 PM | #3 |
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He's quite correct. what kind of stupid system is that? why didn't bmw use a normal gearshift lever with a Park position like a gtr, Evo X SST, or a porsche pdk gearbox for example?
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06-03-2013, 05:53 PM | #4 |
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It is really not that difficult ...
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06-03-2013, 06:02 PM | #6 |
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The M-DCT system is not stupid, that driver/reporter/reviewer is. The same Owner's manual stored in the iDrive HDD says that the M-DCT goes to "P" when the car is off. Otherwise that will be the error prompt. Really? |
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06-03-2013, 06:07 PM | #7 |
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And why oh why is that? For decades all a driver had to do to park a car was to move a lever to the P position. but somehow bmw thought there was a better way, and just for the sake of being different, came up with an overly complex and difficult to use gearshift system. Just read the other thread on this forum about the owner who cant get his car to reverse with the door open.
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If that's stupid for you, ok. But then again you can always if all that confuses you. That's the purpose of it. |
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06-03-2013, 06:19 PM | #9 |
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What possible reason could you have for putting the transmission in "park"? Do we hear complaints about not being able to put a manual transmission in park? It's an automated manual transmission, not an automatic. Think of it in terms of a manual. If you want the car not to roll while you're stopped and the engine is running, apply the parking brake, just like a manual. That's what it's for. Writer of the article is an idiot.
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06-03-2013, 06:34 PM | #10 |
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Every DCT M3 is exactly the same, P only when the car is switched off. Idiot reviewer, clearly he's not driven any other DCT equipped cars.
Therefor whatever he has to say is totally inferior. |
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And really, is your business so time-sensitive that a total of 2 seconds moving a shift lever to P will drastically affect it? Also, if you ever been to a track, one of the big DO NOT DO's is using the parking brake. If the rotor is very hot the brake shoes can partially melt and stick to it. It would be great to leave the car in Park while it cools down and you can grab a drink or take a leak. That shift mechanism is just BMW's answer to a question that no one asked and didn't exist. |
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Also, your analogy is incorrect. The DCT does have a Park function. The problem is that it is inaccessible compared to a conventional automatic gearbox. I'm not privy to the engineering specs of the DCT, so maybe the Park function is a lot like that of a manual, basically engaging the clutch and putting it in gear. if that's the case then i can see why you would need to turn off the engine first. But if the DCT Park mechanism is like that of traditional automatics, with a locking pin that slides onto the output shaft, then there is no good reason why you shouldn't be allowed to pop it into Park whenever you want, even with the engine running. |
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i don't own a DCT (have driven one for about an hour or so), so obviously, I don't know off the top of my head nor have I , but I would think the driver should simply toggle it into "P", and THEN shut off the car. For you to get the error message, and then shut off the car, to put it in P is counter-intuitive.
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And you really sound like a fanatical and rabid cheerleader for BMW with your incessant defense of them. I don't have to own a DCT to criticize how it works. And those people aren't "idiots". They have legitimate complaints about their cars. And yes it's a goddamn automatic, not a manual. And it has the exact same Park mechanism as an automatic gearbox. And there is not one single reason why you can't just pop it into Park without having to turn off the engine. The design is inferior, unnecessarily complicated, and mediocre. It's quite that simple. And guess what, if I ever do decide to get a car with a double clutch transmission, it won't be a bmw, specifically because of that retarded shifter. |
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06-03-2013, 07:37 PM | #18 |
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I just test-drove the new M6 convertible, and also drove it at the M school, and my take is that it's stupid in its design.
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"As far as I know".... Exactly my point. You don't know. You are wrong. It is in park when you start the engine and stays there, while the engine is running, until you take it out. Arguing from a point of ignorance does not advance your argument very much. In fact, I don't even understand what it is you think you are arguing about. Even if it did have a park function like what you describe, I honestly can't think of a time in the last 4 years when I would have used it. It would serve no purpose that can't be served in other ways that anyone familiar with a manual transmission would do without even thinking about it.
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