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For me, the 1LE Camaro was the absolute standout. 3875 pounds, with the standard 426 HP engine. Unbelieveable.
Yeah, the ZL1 was quicker, but it has another 154 HP, and if you look at 'Ring times, you already know it plays in another league than the bimmer. The 1LE also plays in a different league, but it's a full league down compared to the M3, power to weight-wise. Bruce |
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The Camaro ZL1 chassis is, like the 1LE SS Camaro, very competent. That car turned a 7:41 at the 'Ring, comfortably ahead of the GTS bimmer. Most folks on these forums thought the GTS M3 should've been quicker around the Nurgurgring than it was, it being essentially a race car along the lines of the Viper ACR. Street legal, but barely. Bruce |
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The Mustang is also a "Middle Class" car. I think the new Ford's are looking sharp but the interior is lacking.
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01-20-2013, 07:37 PM | #72 |
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You are crazy saying a Mustang and an M3 are in the same class. Not even close. The Gt500 and an M3 are not even in the same class.
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Are you going to sit there and argue that the 2013 E92 M3 (Middle Class) is in the same class as the 2013 Audi R8 Spyder (Upper Middle Class)? I dont think so. Umm lets see a 2013 Chevy Corvette ZR1 is another "Upper Middle Class" car. E92 M3 is not even close again. See where I am going with this? lol I am counter arguing the "Class" statement of the above poster. I am bored, leave me alone. LMAO.
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01-20-2013, 07:53 PM | #74 |
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Nope. I never said the M3 is upper class. I am just saying the M3 and the mustang are not even close to the same class. If they are then the middle class is one large class.
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A well equipped mustang gt is 35k A well equipped m3 is 70k That would be twice as expensive for the m3. Soooo how exactly are they in the same class again? (Or whatever metric you use to come up with upper middle class cars vs middle class vs whatever) They are totally different price points and cars. I think it's impressive that the muscle cars perform as well as they do these days
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I think the Zl1 is extremely impressive in terms of absolute performance. That said, not my kinda ride and I wouldn't buy one, but I can respect it
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Also I was and thought he was referring to the car as middle class, not the owners of cars.
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Pretty close. As for torque, it pretty much doesn't matter out there on a race track, where you're always staying as close to the power peak as you can. Bruce *BMW says the GTS comes in at 3285 pounds under Euro rules, which assume a 165 pound driver but I think only a few gallons of gas. Subtract the driver and add gas for comparable U.S. SAE curb weight. Thus around 3200 pounds net under SAE rules. |
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After further thought...I know many don't like the "retro" direction a lot of american cars are taking, but the idea of have a OEM 662hp Matte Black Cobra stang that can achieve 200+ mph is the definition of an american muscle car. It's just raw in your face straight line power at a relatively attainable price point. That is something I can't think of any other car delivering at that level. |
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Yeah, no 'Ring times for it, but as mentioned previously in this string, it ran a 3:00.6 against the Camaro ZL1's 2:57.5 at VIR. On the other hand, in other tests the cars were pretty close to neck and neck, as I recall, although the Mustang has the clear edge in acceleration. Bruce |
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As far as the gt500 - 631 ft/lb torque and 0-60 in 3.5 secs? There is nothing but awesome about that. Couldn't imagine a v8 more different than the m3. Mind-bending torque vs a screaming redline. I personally love high strung engines, but I would not turn my nose up at a GT500. |
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As awesome as the gt500 is, I would never own one - way too impractical as a DD and way too obnoxious to drive in a professional setting. |
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How do the two compare? I was reading a little on the mustang - the gearing sounds crazy (although the '12 is not as nuts on the torque as the '13). |
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The M3 is no where near the torque. I feel way more in control of the car. You can drive it harder and it won't let loose. The GT would bite you if you did not respect it. Not saying the M3 wouldn't do the same but not like the GT. Lastly, and the reason I sold it. It was BORING. If you are not hammering it, the car just sucks cruising around. The community of GT500, Boss and Shelby owners are also just boring. I felt like I was 60 or something they all like to hang out with their hoods open and talk about the cars they used to have in the 60's and 70's. I got nothing there. Again all this is my own personal opinion from owning and driving both. No need to flame, throw out a bunch of stats or anything else you want to. Just my humble opinion.
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