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08-05-2012, 11:52 PM | #23 | |
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Of note ALL the failures that I've seen from ADV.1 have been with their multi-piece wheels. I haven't heard of anything about their forged or monoblock designs.
That said OP I have a set of 20" 10.1's that I love! I bought them from the original owner and they had roughly 30k on them. They're as straight and true as they were when new and have held up incredibly well with 30 series on the front, 25 on the rear. This is MY pic when I bought them from the original owner... Couple more pics here: http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...ght=adv.1+10.1 *NOTE: I'm not a fan of ADV.1's practices from what I've read and heard. I would NEVER spend what these cost new (for ADV.1's or anything really...) but being used they were an incredible deal. I think the ADV bashing has been a bit exaggerated personally. With regard to quality specifically (not business practices, etc.) we've seen a few cases which I'm sure are simply a fraction of a fraction of the wheels put out by them. Not defending them but no quality is perfect. __________________
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08-06-2012, 11:43 AM | #27 |
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Again, they claimed: It wasn't "accident", it was for weight saving...
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08-06-2012, 11:46 AM | #28 | |
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However, it's so sad that the wheel owner has to but the "disclaimer" to talk/show his wheels...
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08-06-2012, 12:28 PM | #29 | |
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People on this forum are too quick to judge and lump people together for sharing their opinion. It seems like with ADV.1 if you say ANYTHING other than you hate them, they're horrible, Jordan sucks, etc. you're an ADV.1 fanboy and don't have a place on this forum because clearly by saying that you aren't a "true" enthusiast. My grandfather was pit crew chief for Parnelli Jones and got his career started, my dad has owned race teams, I do track events (in my E30) and I've been around racing/cars since I was a baby. However I have ADV.1s so I must be clueless... The way I see it is this. There have been 2 (that I'm aware of) publicized critiques of ADV.1 quality, out of how many wheels? Thousands. Has anyone been injured? No. Has anyone been killed? No. Have there been any issues reported for their monoblocks? No. Have issues been rectified (albeit maybe not in the "best" or most socially acceptable way)? Yes from what I understand. Have most all other ADV.1 owners responded favorably about ownership? Yes. Have I received countless compliments on my wheels. Yes. Have I driven the car hard. Yes, very. Am I still alive? Pretty sure. Would I buy ADV.1s new? No. Then again I wouldn't buy ANY wheels (BBS, Fikse, et al.) that cost that much new because I personally can't justify 100lbs of metal that is 10%+ of the value of a new M3. I think with a couple exceptions ADV.1 makes a high quality product. I don't think they've handled criticism and customer concern in the best manner but that doesn't take away from everything they put out and hopefully they're rectifying some of their practices. My $.02
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08-06-2012, 01:03 PM | #30 | |
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Hey, sorry if I offended you but I didn't mean it.
What I wanted to say is: We spend good money to buy aftermarket wheels and we like to share and show off our wheels. However, ADV.1 owners has to somewhat defend themselves in the forum because of ADV.1's reputation and it's not fair for the wheel owners. That's what I meant. I wasn't really talking about your wheel or your experience. Anyway, if I my post was offended in anyway, I'm sorry. Quote:
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08-06-2012, 01:26 PM | #31 |
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out of these choices... HRE.
but like other have said: you should only be looking at reputable companies such as HRE, Volk, RAC... heck you can go the same route as me and go with Neez (forger by the same people who forge Volks and RAC.)
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Thanks for being mature with your response BTW. We need more "constructive" interactions not attacks and taking of offense ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A bit of a SIDENOTE and I am NOT trying to stir the pot but NO company's history is perfect. Google "HRE wheel failure" or something similar and you'll find something, same with Fikse, BBS, etc. I think the issue here is how it was handled. Additionally the following link I found interesting with regard to TUV testing posted by HRE http://mbworld.org/forums/cls55-amg-...re-wheels.html Something that stood out was the following highlighted: b) WHEEL TESTING CERTIFICATES (Certification of wheels as conforming to geometric standards and having passed structural fatigue and impact requirements for specific vehicle and load rating requirements) - Once a manufacturer’s facility is certified they are then able to send wheels to Europe to pass TUV geometric tolerance analysis and testing for fatigue and impact. This is not a generic style-based test, but vehicle-based with each style being tested with the proper widths and offsets and load rating for the appropriate vehicle targets. This is a very time consuming and costly endeavor for any manufacturer to TUV certify their entire wheel offering, particularly a brand like HRE that makes custom fitments and offers dozens of styles for any particular vehicle. Given this fact, HRE does not certify every style and fitment, however we do have multiple styles in several fitments tested, approved and certified for sale in Germany, Switzerland and Austria. Regardless of certification, ALL HRE wheels are designed to pass TUV structural specifications (with varying load ratings depending on vehicle targets) and are sent for certification when the demand for them in Europe meets a minimum threshold. Also according to that post HRE doesn't post their TUV certificates and that seems ok. If ADV.1 doesn't do it though it is met with the complete opposite reaction. I LOVE HRE's and if I could justify a set I'd have some P40S's in a heartbeat! I'm not pointing the above out to "bash" or talk down about them (it was the best thing I've seen explaining TUV), there simply is much more to the whole process that people don't understand. From a business perspective TUV is a multi stage process and as pointed out, very expensive and time consuming. I would dare say it is IMPOSSIBLE to certify every wheel that goes out the door. So while TUV is VERY important, it needs to be evaluated in context of the business capabilities both from a resource standpoint and financial. There is a TON of misinformation and ill-informed conclusions made out there so, just trying to help dispel myths, rumors, etc.
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Just so there is no confusion regarding HRE's TUV certification, here is the complete post referenced above. Keep in mind, there are 2 different topics about TUV certification. First, is TUV wheel certification. Second, is TUV manufacturer certification. The second one is the most relevant in conversations regarding TUV. Please read the full post below to understand the certification.
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That's how you show you're truly TUV certified.
As for ADV quality, there have been many posts about poor finish. While not as bad as a failure, it's still a major pain to dismount the tires and ship the wheels back. .
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There shouldnt even be a comparison between ADV and HRE quality....HRE makes top notch wheels.
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It's a little scary to me that people are cross shopping HRE and ADV.
The last few months have shown that if you want to guarantee the safety of you, your family, and your vehicle, you should stay away from ADV.1.
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Those monoblocks look good. What do they weigh with tires??? As for the issues with ADV1 wheels in my opinion the last one is a huge issue.
The holes drilled next to each other is not safe or not as safe as no holed drilled next to the bolt hole. The story about weight savings is bs the story about lining up for the valve stem appears to be bs as neither one of those hole sets is centered in one of the openings. As for my opinion on this if one person takes their wheels apart and finds this what happens if everyone does. I bet this has happened more than once they just never expected anyone to see it you know out of sight out of mind. The one piece wheels can have issues. also one item not discussed is forgings as HRE uses different forgings than ADV1. When I say different the only similarity is they are aluminum and when done they are a standard shape. But nobody asks how the aluminum gets to that shape how it is heated etc. Maybe someone can tell us the different forging processes as I am not exact on it. |
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HRE FTW... They make rim perfection
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lmfao
ADV.1 owners quick to defend their purchase to justify getting ripped off face it, nobody is going to buy ADV.1, new or used... lolz diffuse the situation? u mean photoshop some fake certificates and then to claim to "fuckurwheels?" Lmfao
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I do know when I went to look at the wheels at a boxing and shipping store the lady said they weighed "nearly 50lbs" (talking about the rears) and I think I saw that the 295/25/20's weigh around 27lbs (someone correct me if I'm wrong please) so mid 20lbs I would suspect? They do list the 10.1's 20x10/11 at 24.8 and 24.6 respectively for the Porsche Cayenne which is significantly heavier than the M3... Quote:
Face it? Face what exactly? I'm perfectly happy with my "used" purchase for what it was; a set of incredibly clean wheels and nearly new tires for what new AG wheels would cost. Clean, straight, no issues at all. So I'm not sure what I need to face here...
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Is it bad if I click on any threads with ADV.1 in the title nowadays just for pure entertainment?
Wow that looks fantastic.
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