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11-17-2011, 12:26 PM | #485 | |
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Really, going back to your college students owning GT-Rs. I don't know where you go to college but I could barely afford to go eat out for dinner in college let alone afford a $2K/month car payment? I dunno what world you live in, but I'd love to join you. We can frolick in the fields of rainbows and unicorns together. |
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11-17-2011, 12:50 PM | #486 | |
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http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html My point wasn't to say the GT-R is not fast, but I wouldn't use the word "terror"... Regarding 'access' If you've spent any time on this forum you'd see that plenty of people are easily flipping M3s for GT-Rs, or just buying GT-Rs. My point again is not about performance, it's about exclusivity and rare, it's too easy to end up in a GT-R. |
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11-17-2011, 12:54 PM | #487 | |
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7:21 Nissan GT-R (2012) Toshio Suzuki October 2011 Nissan conducted test. 7:24 Porsche 911 GT2 RS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2010) The 7:18 lap time for the GT2 RS is on Sport Cup tires which are race tires. GT-R runs on street tires. Top Gear Power Board: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_test_track 1:17.8 - Nissan GT-R (2012) 1:19.5 - Porsche 997 GT2 |
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11-17-2011, 01:04 PM | #488 | |
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11-17-2011, 01:34 PM | #490 | |
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11-17-2011, 03:06 PM | #492 | |
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Your tire assumption is incorrect too. The Sport Cup N-spec that is used on the GT2 RS is 80 treadwear and classified as "Track and Competition" tires. The SP Sport Maxx GT 600 DSST CTT on the GT-R are 200 treadwear "Extreme Performance" tires comparable to say a RE11 or AD08. Not in the same league at all. As for "street legal", just about anything can be street legal. These Hoosier slicks are DOT approved for street use too. At 40 treadwear, it won't last you a month of daily street driving. Last edited by Z K; 11-17-2011 at 03:15 PM.. |
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11-17-2011, 03:27 PM | #493 | |
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You are getting off track here, no pun intended but really my comparison to the GT2 was about exclusivity and a car being rare. I've yet to see a compelling argument proving that the GT-R is exclusive or rare. Oh and, does anyone else find it annoying that as soon as you find a car faster than a GT-R, people respond with 2012 GT-R, I bet in 2012, they will be saying 2014 GT-R Until the GT-R posts up a faster time at the N-ring, you can't say that it is faster than say an LFA or a GT2 both cars are very exclusive and very rare. |
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11-17-2011, 03:47 PM | #494 | ||
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As I mentioned before, $100K for a weekend toy car is very unattainable for the vast majority of people in the world. And so it is "expensive". People can afford a Toyota Corolla, not everyone can afford a GT-R. The average US HOUSEHOLD income is about $60K a year, not $300K. The argument is that a car doesn't have to be exclusive to be a supercar. A supercar is different than being a exotic car, a collector's item or being a hypercar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar Quote:
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I'll stop you before you dig yourself into an even deeper hole. Treadwear ratings between tire manufacturers are NOT comparable. An 80 rating by Michelin can not be compared to a 200 rating by Dunlop. Each manufacturer interprets the UTQG their own way. Furthermore, it is erroneous to suggest the GT-R is somehow "undertired" compared to the competition. Dunlop has optimized runflats specifically for the GT-R's weight and contact patch. Swapping for supposedly stickier tires on the GT-R hasn't/won't yield faster times because they don't have the sidewall strength.
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11-17-2011, 04:00 PM | #496 | |
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My point was basically that the GT-R can be picked up by anyone who picks up a corvette, 6 series, base carrera, CLS, so and so on, it's a very attainable car. |
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They can, but they don't which makes it rare. The GT-R is exclusive in that you don't see them. Only 6000 examples exist in the USA for all the production years combined. That's a pretty small number which is less than the number of Ferrari sold in the USA. You'll sooner see a Ferrari than a GT-R on the road.
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11-17-2011, 04:30 PM | #498 | |
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I guess it seems like a higher number because part of that 6000 gets dumped back into the open market so while 2000 might be available through Nissan and dealerships per year as new, another 500-1000+ are available in the used, preowned market. |
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11-17-2011, 05:21 PM | #499 | |
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1.) An enthusiast 2.) Very well off. P.S. Just because people with an M or 6 series can afford the GT-R, doesn't mean they will. The GT-R is a sports car. The M3 is a sporty cruiser and the 6 series is just a cruiser. Can't really compare them. |
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Again, sales numbers are low in comparison to MANY cars. And again, its not a car you see like a civic. In fact check the average sales for any car out there and its pretty obvious the GTRs numbers are pretty low. That and economy and cost.
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I'm taking about inventory, market availability. Two very different things, number sold vs. number available, there are too many GT-Rs available to be throwing the term exclusive or rare, maybe back in 2009 was the vehicle exlusive or rare, maybe in 2012, when only a few hundred are initially available, but right now, looking around the various sources, you can't say that a GT-R is exclusive or rare, and stop comparing it to a civic, I was comparing it to a GT2. There are rare civics, mugen type R, probably more rare and exclusive than a GT-R. |
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11-18-2011, 10:09 AM | #502 | |
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I do actually consider myself well off. I didn't choose a GT-R simply because I didn't need a sports car. I want a comfortable sporty coupe that's quick, and fun to drive. |
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If you've ever driven one, you'll know the GT-R has a lot more in common with a race car than something to comfortably drive every day. The drivetrain whines, the shifts make distinct clicking and clunking sounds and the ride is stiff. It's not everyone's cup of tea which is why it mainly appeals to car enthusiasts.
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