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Sports Car | 56 | 36.60% | |
Sporty GT | 97 | 63.40% | |
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I don't think it is an option (I could be wrong), but yes it can be retrofitted. I know it is not an option for a GT3 RS, so it doesn't really matter either way. The point remains that there are cars out there whose seat count varies depending on the trim level. Another one is a TT - the roadster seats two but the coupe seats four.
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Sorry, but who ever thinks M3 is a sports car, doesn't know much about cars.
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If it's a "sports coupe" then why do the brakes suck for track use? Why is the cooling not sufficient enough? |
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Today that definition is not so clear when there are cars like the M3 Sedan that are based upon and are for all practical purposes visually indistinguishable to most people from a car that is marketed as a family sedan. Although these cars offer a very high level of performance and are taken to the track by thier owners the days of the dual purpose road/race car are long gone. So is an M3 a sports car? Not in the classic definition but many owners use it as a sports car and it certainly performs like a sports car. I personally would categorize the M3 as a GT car. IMO the term GT car does not need to be prefaced with "Sport" or "Sporty" because that attribute is included in the definition of a GT car. 1954 4 Door Sedan 1954 Sports Car CA
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Also what production car does not lean slightly or even heavily toward understeer. Now that being said I also think you are on the right track to distinguish one car type from another. You just have not hit the nail on the head.
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The m3 is not built as an all out sports car, and he uses the brakes as an example why. If it was built for serious performance (a word that you used) and not everyday street use (which a sporty gt would be used for), then ///m would have thrown in better brakes on the m3. If a sports car is not defined by its trackability, then the m3 gts and cls are not sport cars either, which is something I disagree with. |
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The GT cars are the only sports cars that Porsche makes today. All other 911 variants don't even have the dry sump block that Porsche races with. The GT cars are also the only ones that come only in manual so the pretender enthusiasts can't drive them, and before 997, no traction control for the hamfisted.
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Porsche GT cars do not understeer. They put in traction control in 997 because people kept stuffing the 996 GT2/3 into the walls or wrapping them around telephone poles. M3's are GT's, no if's and but's.
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But I think you get the gist of my post; the M3, to me, does not feel like a true sports car. I then went on to try and define what makes the M3 not sporty, but that is clearly a highly debatable subject. As another poster has already explained, the M3 fits into a niche between the standard sedan and a true, hardcore two-seater sports car. I just happen to think that this niche is the GT class. |
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