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My question about money was simply based on the fact that the average new aston costs about three times as much as the M3. Yet, the M3 is the better performer, especially when compared to the Vantage V8. But, if you walked into a showroom and were offered either the M3 or the Aston at equal prices, which would really choose? Would you pick the M3 simply because it is the better performer or would you pick the Aston for other subjective reasons? My overall point, the GTR is no doubt the better performer but does it have any soul? Is the only remarkable thing about it, its ability to move fast? Do you feel disconnected when driving it? Jason
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I'd like to point out that not everyone or even most people buy the M3 because it's ring time or 1/4 mile time, There are lots of cars faster than the M3.
But people do buy the M3 for it's rear seat. It's got real rear seats. I'm 6-3 and was able to fit (tight but none the less fit) and my two small children can ride in back unlike a Z06 or 911 turbo which has a rear seat in name only. The GTR's rear seat head room was 7" less than the M3. I don't know about you but 7" headroom is everything. I mean that would come about my shoulder so there is no head room about it. I say many many people want an all around car that can also be a family car. They can give a hang about the ring time. the M3 is fairly quick for real world driving as well as being fairly good as a DD and can be a family car in a pintch which you can not say about the Z06 or 911 turbo or GTR. |
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Excellent point rai. The M3 coupe is probably the best and most practical everyday sports car you can get regardless of what price range. Of course there are some other cars out there that will be faster and quicker like the GTR, Z06, just to name a few, but they're not as practical or versatile. But this comparison is just idiotic and the outcome is so stupid. Base on this comparison, the M3 will probably beat the Z06, Gallardo, and even the F430 considering that these cars have similar performance numbers with the GTR and 997tt but they don't have rear seats. In other words, they're toast against the M3 if C&D compares them.
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Now in no way would I be silly enough to class the RS4 the winner in this contest if it had been included because sports cars and not really about which is the most practical, I know I wouldn't buy one based on that unless it was equally as good at everything else and the M3 is not compared to either the GTR or the 997tt, CLEARLY NOT. Get a reality check guys, the M3 is a fantastic car but it not in this class, not by a long chalk. |
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it was the most FUN to drive...
these are street cars, absolute speed beyond a certain point is pointless... I'd say 150 in <25 sec is a pretty good point it feels the best, it will bring the biggest grin, whether hauling on a track, or cruising down a back road... these cars would never 'race' each other...awd & turbos vs rwd and na? come on... does anybody here think BMW couldn't build a faster car if they wanted to? they don't want to... |
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The M3 is a comfortable car with enough performance to keep me happy on my comutes to and from work. It serves my purpose when I need to haul people around other than myself. It has a trunk for when I need to go shopping (or haul the other cars tires to the installer). There is a reason many here have multiple cars. I simply don't enjoy driving the elise on the street the same way I do the BMW. Its too hard core for every day use. So I have it for weekend fun and the BMW for commuter use. I almost bought an M6 instead of the M3. Then I drove one and didn't like the way it felt. Yes its faster but far less enjoyable despite comfort. It lacks the feel of the M3. To me the new M3 is the right blend of performance, feel, and comfort for a car I need to use most days. I have also looked at the V8 vantage a couple times. I was never able to justify buying one based on the cost compared to what I would get. There is no "best" car, only best car for a purpose. Anyone who thinks otherwise is trying to push their opinion on everyone else.
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But what amazed me is how many 335i owners just had no idea that there car, albeit fast as hell, was no M, it was still a regular 3. Don't get me wrong, love my car and some parts I will miss, but when my beast arrives, I won't have any problems handing the keys over the the 335. I take pride in my ability to objective about the things I use and own and I love my 335i, but damn some owners need to get a grip. //M is not something you can understand by reading, its something you just can't understand till you drive it. Never loved the //Ms until I got in one 10 years ago, and ever since there ain't an //M I have been in that I don't love and is the reason I came to love ALL BMW's. Sorry for the longwinded post
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It's all relative. What's important to you and by how much? You can change the maximum scores for each category and come up with your own answer. Maybe people should start doing this and see what works for each?
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lol what a joke.... "M3 back seats are more comfortable then the turbos rear seats"
do you really think people give a shit about rear seats now and days? especially on a 997, they are useless unless you have a small child. funniest and lamest article ever. im waiting for the smart car, veyron, and enzo comparison |
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you sound angry...did C&D burst you bubble? the gtr still ran 7:29 2700/650/semi-slicks/dry/pro race driver 3900/480/run flats/damp/???? sure it did this is a FACT, not speculation...or rationalization...BMW builds them as fast as they deem necessary to sell... Kia, they build inexpensive, economical cars...what's your point? do you really think kia has any intention of competing with BMW, Audi, Porsche, MB? speedwise? BMW is more interested in having a balanced car they can sell... and that's exactly what this article concluded... btw: they said the ride in the gtr was horrid, even in comfort with 29 psi all around...that would be tiring in about 2 weeks... these are STREET cars...99% driven in traffic at low speeds... not racing stop light to stop light... a quartz seiko is more accurate than a Rolex, which is a 'better' watch? |
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I own a 335i. It has an excellent chassis. Take that chassis and make it even better and give it better suspension, wider track, bigger and better wheels and tires and you get the M3. The refinement in the 335i is build into the 3-series, including the M3. It is what made C&D choose the M3 over the GTR. The car can be a normal DD, or fun in the hills, or absolutely stellar on a track. It is not as capable as the GTR on the track, but it may be more satisfying to drive because of the connection it makes with the driver. Then it is MUCH better as an all around car, and more refined to boot.
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Perhaps this was not the main part of your point but please don't start this again. Just about the only parts the cars (335i and M3) share is the unibody, glass, trunk lid, doors and lighting and some interior trim. Other than that the cars are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM THE GROUND UP - NEARLY EVERYTHING (at least all of the major components that contribute to performance). Ugh.
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