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Drove manuals for 20 years and I kind of still miss those but I also don't...hard to explain. Personally, I think we should resurrect manual windows for all you manual-ites 30-40 rotations each way will get you all wound up! Still not enough? Time for a manual watch! All kidding aside in an ideal world I'd have one of each but the bitchy wife (who also drives manuals) won't allow it... |
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In response to some of the posts that suggest that they don't rev the motor past 4K most of the time, I'm arguing that this car is pointless and not fun and thus worse than an Accord. In other words, if you never/rarely drive the car in heat, then why own it? It's not good for normal, mundane driving - uncomfortable, low torque,,loud,,etc. it's not bad, per se, but definitely there are much better choices for that. Why not just drive a super refined car in that case? I rip on the car every time I drive and so it's fun and THAT'S why I grab its keys. If I know I'm not going to have fun I'd way rather take my HD pickup. Last edited by EricSMG; 08-01-2018 at 09:26 AM.. |
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IMO, driving a nimble manual car is fun in and of itself under all circumstances other than sitting in traffic. That is precisely why I didn't even consider a DCT which as you pointed out needs to be thrashed on to be enjoyed properly. Quote:
Why does anyone own anything excessive? Let's just limit all cars to 150hp since most people don't really use more than that anyway, right? Perhaps you live in a place where you can't relate to this, but where I live it's not practical to unleash a 414hp 8400RPM V8 everywhere I go (let alone 625hp in my case). That doesn't mean I don't want to do so every now and then and find appropriate opportunities to enjoy the car's capabilities. Those opportunities are enough to justify owning a car like this instead of an Accord. This point is absurd to me. How is it uncomfortable? In comfort mode it rides as smooth as a 3 series, it has softer leather seats, a fantastic sound system, great ergonomics, very good cabin sound deadening, great visibility, etc. I've never met anyone who thought any modern BMW 3 series was uncomfortable. Quote:
Well for starters, because they don't come in manual . They normally also don't look or sound as good and are objectively less cool. Plenty of other reasons but you get the idea. That's great for you but are you really incapable of seeing any other use case for this car or why anyone with different priorities may still like it? You realize the vast majority of people who buy these cars are using them as daily drivers with occasional spirited drives and track days? A lot of people can't have more than one car like you and must compromise on one car to do it all. Just because those people don't drive like a boy racer every time they go out doesn't mean it doesn't make any sense to own an M3.
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And the standard 3 series is a poor value relative to an Accord. Have you driven late model Accords? As nice as a base 3 series but cost WAY less. I can't see a case at all for the base 3 series with all of the awesome cars available today. But I digress. Look - not trying to debate with you. Just sharing/comparing opposing opinions. I agree that the M3 is badass and that's a large part of owning one. And if you can only have a single car then by all means, the M3 is great for that. I lived that way for many years. It's all good. I'm simply saying that YOU should enjoy the car more than it sounds like you do. Putting around town in an M3 is not fun (E36 M3, yes.... high strung E9XM with super long 6MT gears..... not really). So make the ownership worth it and enjoy the car.... is all I'm saying. Find a canyon run on the weekends. Take the long way home from the office. Good debate Last edited by EricSMG; 08-01-2018 at 09:25 AM.. |
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I'm not trying to debate you either, I'm sharing and comparing opinions just like you are. It's all in good fun. I enjoy my car every single time I drive it. I get sad when I have to drive anything else for any length of time. It just so happens that I enjoy my car in different (more?) ways than you do. Like I mentioned earlier, my car sees it all and is used in every way BMW designed it to be used, which means not just sitting at or near redline at all times. EDIT: Ahhh you got me with the edit again . I live in Wisconsin. There are no canyons here . The long way home from the office is the 35mph scenic route along Lake Michigan. That doesn't mean I don't find time to go out of my way for some fun though! And to reiterate my main point and the purpose of this thread: driving manual is fun!
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If I could justify owning two cars for separate duties, I agree that the new generation Accords and Camrys are actually super nice. I'd probably go with that over 3 series if I needed an "I don't care about cars car."
My second car for weekend/track/hooligan purposes would likely not be an M3 though. A pure sports car with far fewer creature comforts would be my pick, and that's not what the E9x M3 is or was ever intended to be. The M3 shines as a do-it-all compromise car, not so much as a pure toy car IMO. Sure it can be used that way, but there are many better options for a second toy/fun car that are purpose-built and not practical for any other purpose. There are no better options for a do-it-all car as far as I'm concerned and that's why I use my M3 that way.
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Oh, don't get me wrong - I don't live at redline all day AND I certainly use the M3 for normal day to day things.
BUT - I'm heavy on the throttle quite often. I use the entire tach but I'm deep in the throttle and do spend a lot of time between 4k and 7k. I definitely agree that there is no better option for an all around sporty car than the M3 - that's why I've owned nothing but M3s for the last 15 years, starting with E36 M3s That said, if I need to run over the Target and fight for a tight parking spot with the soccer moms, it's nice to have an "I don't care" vehicle to hop into. Or if I know I'll be at the office late and stuck in super heavy stop n go traffic on the way home.... won't take the M3. It sucks for that. Or if I know I'm taking coworkers out to lunch... no M3. Sucks for that. Or if I have to go somewhere with really bad roads... no M3. |
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My coworkers LOVE when we take my car out to lunch. Most people never get to experience the thrill of a supercharged M3. And the folks who don't care think it's just another BMW when I drive normally. Never had anyone complain about volume or harshness, even my 89 yr old grandfather who complains about *everything* .
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I look forward to commuting in my M3 every morning. Just hearing it start up puts a smile on my face. I love hearing the exhaust blip of a perfectly executed downshift just cruising around town. Feeling the thick soft leather steering wheel while sitting in the perfectly bolstered seats and gripping the rifle bolt-action Autosolutions shifter make me happy. Letting it stretch its legs a couple times a week is more than enough to justify it as a perfect do-everything car. There are plenty of ways to enjoy a car without ripping it to shreds at all times and you would experience none of those in a Toyota SUV. You guys need to appreciate the little things that add up to make the M3 what it is instead of preaching that it's only good for one thing.
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I drive the M3 because it's good at more than one thing. I'm just saying that if I rarely enjoyed the aspects which made me purchase it, then the compromises would no longer be worth it. Simply put, I bought the car for the *performance driving experience and not just to look at or sit in and feel good (not saying either of those apply to you, but they do to many). |
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I'm also not trying to paint a picture where my car is always babied and never sees any spirited driving. I mean, it's supercharged for a reason . I'm just saying I use it the way I feel safe and responsible, and that means I don't get to flog it during every single drive. YMMV but that doesn't mean I'm enjoying my car any more or less than the next guy.
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Anyway, no worries with any of this, it's just interesting to talk about what we all like/dislike about these cars.
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Second, I 1000% agree with you that you don't have to drive near the limit regularly to enjoy this car. Iyz, you said it perfectly. So many subtle things to enjoy in this car without exploring the limits on every outing. |
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I really regret not picking up an Exige S when they could be had for $35-40k all day long (maybe 8-9 years ago?). My wife urged me to go ahead and get one, but I figured I'd take my time and find the 'right' one. Next thing you know we had another kid, added the E93 as a family weekend car, and I'm out of space for more cars--not to mention that my wife would probably reach her limits if I showed up with a fourth frivolous car. Quote:
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I LOVE the feel of the car around me and do enjoy the many subjective qualities it has to offer. But if I had to drive it 5 days a week in heavy traffic, under 35mph it would not only suck, but be totally pointless to be in. There is simply no way you can call that "fun" in any car. Quote:
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Even if I agreed with you that driving “normally” can’t be fun, I’d rather not be having fun in a badass BMW M3 than not having fun in a lame Accord or Camry. |
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Not to say I don't get it up in the revs, but I just got back to the office and I felt bad bringing it up to 3k going through the parking lot. My exhaust makes a good bit of noise, though.
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I'm relieved to see I'm not the only one here who isn't "enjoying" their car everywhere they go and perpetuating BMW driver stereotypes.
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Some days, I never crest 4000 RPMs, and I STILL love driving this car. Why? First, it's rolling art. My car (along with most E9Xs), it's just utterly sexy - lowered on aftermarket 19s, silverstone, with a bulldog stance. Just beautiful. So, when I exit, I look back 95% of the time, and just shake my head. BMW penned a great shape....not overdone and subtly aggressive. I had an F82 as well, tanzanite, and it was lowered, and it was sexy too....but my E93 is just as. Second, contrary to what most say, I think it's plenty quick enough up to 4000 RPMs in most situations. I'm not in full racing mode most times, so it's plenty swift enough to move faster than most cars without beating on it. Third, my music sounds damn good, though I do have the upgraded Individual audio aka the Dirac. Base under the seats, and the mids are decent too. No complaints for a factory system, it's about as much as I could ask for in a M. Fourth, I have a convertible, with the Akro Evo Titanium exhaust. Heaven for me, especially with the top down, even at 20 MPH. So, given this, I drive my M3 ALL the time, in most situations....leaving it home only if I need to carry 3+ people or if I think it's going to rain. Other than that, I use the M, in all situations, even in traffic, and even on crappy roads (and we have plenty of those in the Northeast/Midatlantic region), and even in the winter as long as the roads are salt-free. I know how to dodge potholes, and I just drive slower.....while still enjoying this car. In my M, it's not about the destination, it's about the journey....and in many cases, the longer the journey, the better. Last edited by KevinGS; 08-03-2018 at 07:37 PM.. |
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