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05-08-2018, 06:56 PM | #1 |
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Getting a E92 M3 - How to negotiate?
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Ex owner of E46 325 and E90 320d here. I have been eyeing for a E92 M3 for a couple of months, did massive research around the various failures/issues and I am ready to take the plunge. Shortlisted a few good examples on Carsales and since got in touch with the sellers/dealers. What really struck me was that out of the 10 or so examples that I picked, only 2-3 had the TBs replaced and none of the cars actually got the RBs replaced, regardless of mileage (the highest one was 130k). Obviously the TBs and RBs is a known issue for all of us here but a lot of the sellers/dealers (even BMW dealers) were adamant that it’s overblown and is not willing to budge much on pricing (to factor in TB/RB replacement and DCT fluid refresh costs) and stated that none of the workshops they been to (obviously not Advan, BMR or Bromspec) actually mentioned that it’s not an issue. This is despite me posting links to forum posts here highlighting such with statements and photos from owners. Now my question is what else can I do to shave some pricing off to factor these costs in? I am not desperate to own one yet but happy to pick one up if the right one comes along. Last edited by wingzee; 05-08-2018 at 08:26 PM.. |
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I replaced my RB as a precaution. No issue with TB at this stage and the only issue I have had is ABS wheel speed sensors. Its an aging M3 so you have to allow a few bucks for maintenance. Joys of owning this special car but love every second behind the wheel.
If you are buying from a car yard then making an offer close to the end of the financial year is a good idea |
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Dealers tend not to negotiate too much on M3's. They actually like having them on their grounds as it brings in buyers who may just want to check out the M machine. There are many good cars available from members, why not purchase one through a forum member? Or is shipping too big a price to pay and you really need to form one already on your continent?
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05-09-2018, 01:35 AM | #5 |
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To answer your question OP, if none of the cars you are looking at have had the work done, then the market is in equilibrium (they all at the same value as they all missing the work).
In reality there would be much greater than 50% of M3 owners who never do this work unless they have to. So the seller will wait for one of them to come along. Just find the cleanest one you can negotiate to a suitable amount that you are happy with. |
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I guess it's more about "educating" the sellers on the RB issue as many does think that it's actually an issue despite being widely reported, not even an oil sample test done. "All the workshop I have taken the car to said that the RB is a myth and may or may not happen depending on a car" - coming from one of the seller. Well I obviously moved on and looked at others (the car was at the bottom of the list in terms of miles and condition). |
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05-09-2018, 09:21 PM | #7 |
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If someone is selling their car, they will not beleive anything you say that may devalue it.
Depending on what year you are looking at, I couldn't really see any well priced or suitable options on the market. Might just be worth waiting it out for the right one to come up. |
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There is this really nice low mileage ZCP DCT which just popped up few days ago - planning to view and test drive this weekend. Price is on the higher end of my budget but the low mileage and condition is miles ahead of the others. |
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05-10-2018, 12:27 AM | #9 |
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I would be looking at a 2009+ if you can afford it. The rest is up to you and try and get the lowest mileage you can find. You can do all the maintenance in the world, but you can't undo age or kms a car has done.
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How about this? 2013 for $70k on the road is pretty much in your price range. With that year, manual, low kms, it would probably go quickly. Low enough kms that the RB question isn't really relevant yet.
https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/d...AG-AD-15957489 |
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Not having TBs or RBs done does not and should not reduce the cars value. The car is no less valuable. Having them done can catch a higher value but if I were selling my car and someone offered less cause of those factors I'd say take a walk as well. Buy a vehicle that's been well maintained with records and go in knowing you'll eventually need to replace both items. Reality is, you'll have a much harder time finding an M with both of those replaced then not, treat it as a bonus and that's it. I'd be shocked if the percentage of E9xMs that have both done is greater than 5%
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^I agree, you can't go in looking to negotiate down for preventative maintenance.
Show interest in the car, go see it, then make an offer. No need for made up stories, if there are issues, point them out and make an offer.
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Ohh and frankly if a seller were to ask such questions I am more than happy to guide the sellers on the specs, specific parts and workshops (here in Sydney at least). But that’s not the point of this thread. |
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I do agree with this although 09+ in 6MT is pretty rare to come by. I don’t think I have seen any so far.
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But if it is rare, that is even more reason to wait for it, the diff in value when it comes time to sell it will be worth it. |
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PS JUST another view but these cars stock are nowhere in the league of one modded with tune and exhaust e.g. x pipe with 200 cel high flow cats. If you have a dct, how good is the bang for buck on the gts dct tune for circa USD 100. Hmm rod bearings or tune and exhaust. (cel and cold started coded out). No brainer for me. Last edited by BMWM3TS; 05-11-2018 at 09:26 AM.. |
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GL in your search. Always remember there's always someone willing to spend the $$ and you're probably not the only guy looking at that car.
I've sold plenty of cars in the past and I straight out ignore people trying to negotiate on future repairs. Now if there are present day problems, that can be negotiated. Just my 2 cents. |
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Looks like your experience and advice is similiar to mine ( discount for rod bearing or actuators not done = NFW, but PPI WITH issues = negotiate hard on reducing the asking price.. Are you over 45 perhaps. You are much more eloquently succinct in giving your 2 cents compared to my just a view. |
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