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Wow, there are some M3, M5, M6 haters on this thread.
OP, I wished i was there I would have laughed hearing that. Seriously with people like that, you don't even give them an inch of recognition, if someone is so arrogantly disillusioned that they try to take you in their fantasy world of owning an M car I would have shitted all over his face about his car which is not designed by BMW-M GmbH. The M235i is a "M performance" car, not an M car. M cars are born in the motorsport division of BMW M GmbH. And cost an arm an leg For jealous BMW owners (like that M235i owner or that jon troll in this thread) here is the BMW nomenclatura lesson: * An M followed by the word “Sport” is BMW code for interior- or exterior-trim changes, chassis upgrades, and engine tweaks offered as optional equipment. * The M Performance label has a double meaning. It can stand for various aero, drivetrain, chassis, and cockpit parts and accessories available through official BMW *channels. * M Performance is also a BMW category for cars with sporting credentials, such as the new M235i. *Cars designated with an M followed by a single digit are the chosen ones. They’re born and bred under the auspices of BMW M GmbH, the in-house motorsports division responsible for spanking enemies at the track. Resourceful M-division engineers can swiftly apply to their road cars the structural gains, suspension improvements, aero refinements, and power secrets learned from racing. Last edited by nthretourNAFTW; 05-03-2015 at 09:17 PM.. |
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I love M snobs. I've had a 1M and now an M3. The 1M is more exhilarating in most every way. M3 suspension and brakes, LSD, and weighing in much lighter. How is that not an M? It's the closest thing they have come to the original M3. I love the S65 engine note, but that is about the only place the M3 trumps the 1M. Id be back in a 1M right now if it wasn't for the fact they are still selling above MSRP.
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Their on going higher price is due to that BMW used the limited supply card. I will bet as soon as M2 comes out (which is also debatable M car), the price of 1M will go down significantly. Why? Because M2 is just like 1M but better. BMW held back in making the 1M and did not drop in an S65 in it in fear of jeopardizing M3 sales. They could have supplied the 1M with S65 and limited quantity anyways without hurting the M3. But oh no. Little brother can't be faster than the big brother. Their bean counters overruled the engineers. It could have been a much more special car. Missed opportunity if you ask me. |
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I do not think the 1M will significantly down in value when the m2 drops. I think it will continue to hold around msrp with mileage climbing, age and warranties running out. I also am unwary if the m2 will be "better" than the 1m. I think if the f8x to e9x is any sign, the m2 will be faster but will it carry the same emotion and be luring enough to draw people away from their valuable 1m's? Im doubtful. BMW not only could not put an s65 in the 1m from a performance standpoint but also from cost and market line up. There s65 1m, due to limited production would cost more than an e92, out perform and be priced between the m3 and m5. I think everyone in here fully agrees that the m235i is not a full //M car. I say that as fact, not discrediting the 235i, its a good car. Its more about the question of if it is ok to talk down on someones car and how OP described the situation. |
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I'm just venting because this post epitomizes the BMW "snob" stigma. Who cares what the guy was saying about his m235. Was it really ruining your day enough that you had to "educate" him? Maybe it's the nicest car he has ever had? BMW put some M stuff on it so he was proud of it. What would have been so hard to say nice car, love the wrap and leave it at that? Do I think it is an M model? No. Would I have called the guy out about his pride and joy? No. Whatever. Different strokes for different folks. |
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Lets recap: Guy felt he needed to 1) Interrupt my conversation regarding a potential M4 Vert purchase; 2) I asked the guy a question about the wrap; 3) Then he went to great lengths to describe how his car was a M car... I am not a M snob (or a snob any other time). As I have stated, I did not whip out my "M" owners badge and give him a stern talking too. I love all cars across all generations and brands. I take great pride in my car and have respect for others that also do the same. I could also care less if his car was 200 hp more than my car, the point is he kept on spouting all this BS about his car. I made my comment to the salesman right in front of him...then I walked away. I was not malicious or angry, nor was my comment directed at the guy - simply made a factual statement and walked away. |
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OP, u shd be expecting nothing less doing what u did and starting a thread abt it.
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Blogging your time spent educating (and degrading) the mans 235 makes your motive appear as the aggressor in the conversation. As the other poster mentioned, those type of conversations make other bmw owners also look like asshats.
There is a difference between debating whether an e93 can be a true M and debasing someone's purchase. |
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Second you are a jealous troll, very much like 135i, 238i posters in this thread. There was a time when that role was fulfilled by jealous 335is owners. Same thing, they hated that their cars was not an M. You have to pay to play. That's not snobbery that's a fact of life. There is absolutely nothing pejorative in keeping with the manufacturer classification. When you cross the line and start calling your car something it is not, expect to be laughed at and taken for a fool's ride with silly pride. As far as trying to deceptively instigate feelings of guilt to those calling an non-M car a non-M car to cushion the sensitive feelings of the owner. That strategy is as laughable as the whole argument. That tactic seems quite popular these days in the political scene, pushing a lie because it is subjectively "politically correct" is fallacy and lie. |
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The 1m was listed an an M car. it no longer is because it isnt in production. Same as the Z4MC. I own a 135i and I 'never' hated my car because it wasnt an M nor did I ever go out of my way to insult or troll "M owners." I was never jealous of M car owners either as they are something you buy - not something you graduate or earn into. Never called my 135i an M car either and never would claim an m235i as a true M. I dont think any person in the thread claimed that. Your entire post comes off as the typical //M snob. |
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LOL absolutely not. There is nothing snob about calling the cards. Sure, BMW marketing is encouraging the bluff and that m235 owner was their ideal customer.
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