[sales@ESSTuning]

You're not going to get into a discussion? Then why did you continue to discuss it?

I’m sorry when did I open a discussion on different cars in different countries and how the performance between them proved anything ? I made a comparison of three cars that ran each other on the same day in the same location. The 335 in this video runs a 60-130 in 9 sec without meth. This is the same as some supercharged E9X M3's so I would say it's a pretty fast car.

It has bolt on's Roman, there's only so much power you can make.

Really ? so exactly what are the limits of the E60 M5 in NA form with bolt ons and software ?

Actually there's been a few comparisons, nowhere did I make a direct comparison here with my setup, just added to the current conversation. But to clarify I never ran race fuel on my car NA because it didn't do anything, but yes now with FI I run race fuel at times when I do pulls, and always run WM because it's the smart thing to do.

Like I said before with close to 10 psi and meth you should be making the power and performance you are and you should definitely be running meth at all times.

Hyperbole much? I am not running a lot more boost than this particular car, only 1.5psi, but it appears that I am actually making the power that I claim as the car is running with cars making more and the Vbox times prove it,

Your current dynos show max boost at 9.8-9.9 psi. This customers car runs max boost at 7.5 psi how is that a 1.5 psi difference? That is a 2.3 psi difference and you run meth.

also did you not tell me that Larry's car is running 8.5psi, at least it was at Mfest? What did he dyno?

Larry ran 8 psi at Mfest on a 50/50 mix of race and 91 for fun. He never ran a 60-130 or dyno with that setup.

Larry's car on 91 octane and 5.5 psi made slightly over 500 whp with catless exhaust. He also ran a low 8 sec 60-130 with this setup. I would say his Vbox data confirms his car is making rated power.

You may have a thousand kits out there, that's not relevant to this discussion, the fact is we've only seen performance data/results from a few.

Actually it has a lot to do with the discussion. We have videos and dynos from all over the world. If you like I can post them up for you to view. These independent videos and dyno's have shown that our kits always make rated power and perform extremely well in the real world. This is something that you seem to deny or are attempting to refute with your continued comparisons and comments.

Different conditions? I would agree that would affect Vbox times, 1/4 mile times, but not much if the conditions are similar. Regardless when you are running other cars head to head it's irrelevant, both cars in the comparo will be subject to the same conditions, good or bad. I am not the only car running this specific setup, there are 4 others, 3 of which made more power than me at the same boost level, they also have performance data and impressive traps, Vbox times etc.

Then have the customers who have these 4 cars post up all of their data. As of now there is only one car that has made your numbers and it's your car.

I made 569 on 91 octane Roman, 0 knock as well. and in another run 579whp at "9psi." They are true/independent dyno #'s and translate to real world runs and Vbox data. It is not a custom intake, it is production, it is currently on all the Gintani cars, except one, and as I explained in my dyno post, the initial intake only influenced dyno runs, performance wise it made little difference, and peak boost was unchanged. I prefer Vbox and comparo runs for my "scientific" testing. Both intakes performed in that regard.

You said you removed the filter off your kit and the car made 10-11 psi and 600 whp and then went into a limp mode. I would say this qualifies as making a performance difference. This is not complicated to figure out. If you made 10-11 psi and 600 whp without a filter on your intake you were running a 10-11 psi pulley and your filter was restricting the boost and power. Going out on the road and running a 60-130 to test this is not science it’s a nice way of saying there was a problem but it did not matter in the performance of the car. If this was the case and it did not effect performance on the road why did you need to re-design it? Boost is mechanical; it is determined by the size of the pulley it will only go down if you have a boost leak or restriction of air coming into the blower. You called this design "new intake" this would usually be understood as you changed it from its original design. So far the only change I have seen is you cut the carbon fiber cover off that used to sit over the top of the filter. What exactly did you change to gain the power you did ?

Roman, if you removed the intake off your supercharger kit it will make more boost as well.

Drew you are wrong again, you need to open your mind to more than what is under your hood. We have run our cars without the filter during R&D to ensure the filter we were running did not restrict air flow and the car makes the same power with the same boost. We tested 4 different filters before we found the right size to use in our kit. We do not have our customers testing our intake design to determine what works properly.

I don't run 10-11psi, never have on the street, that was in ONE Test pull, the car has seen 7.5 - 9.5psi, and the numbers are real,

I never said you run 10-11 psi on the streets I said you had a 10-11 psi pulley on your car and you had no clue as the intake was restricting boost back to 9.5 psi. I have no doubt your dyno numbers are real, with 9.5-10 psi of boost and meth they should be.

every Stage 2+ kit should make the power I did, anywhere in the world, no adapting necessary, I can assure you so far they all have, or more.

Should make and do make are two very different things. The only way you would know if other cars would make the same power anywhere in the world would be to actually have kits in other parts of the world. The only way you could assure me or anyone else is to actually have all the independent data from these cars posted up by the customers, so please do.

As far as results, I would hope 594 WHP would net your setup good results as well, but it appears when the car adapts those #'s become irrelevant?

If you understood how the MSS60 works you would know it's adaptation based and it self corrects based on conditions, this includes intake air temps and fuel quality. When the car is first flashed with a new software file or adaptations have been reset the car will default to a slightly lower than target timing map. Over time if fuel and air temp allow it will slowly advance it's timing until it reaches target. If conditions do not allow the opposite occurs. This adaptation process can take some time and power output can change for the better or worse. Because we have not re-tested this car we do not know if it is making the same power, more or less. The only exception is if the tuner programmed a really high timing target in an attempt to force the car to run high timing under any conditions. In this case the car will almost always pull timing as it adapts making less power. I would expect someone with your knowledge of these cars to understand this process and to also understand that power output is directly related to timing.

I haven't compared them, and if I have, so what? I have only made attempts to refute others who have, and those who I feel have posted inaccurate info.

Where in this thread did anyone comment on the performance info of your car VS a M5 or a 335 that forced you to chime in and defend how your car did against these two cars ? you jumped into this thread in an attempt to compare the performance of your car to one of our customers.

I know the differences between them, it appears you don't.

I am well aware of the difference many of them are pointed out in this thread by you.