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Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow
I'm aware of Fall Line, but that doesn't mean they are somehow above scrutiny.
If their products were 'tracked and raced at a higher level than SLON' then maybe they would have built a pan like SLON's, with more baffling, more volume and a pickup spacer.
We have some pretty fast people in this forum... who are running the SLON pan.
When someone shows up on the West Coast who is a few seconds faster than Mr Bone and running the Fall Line pan on their DCT without issues then I'll be a little inclined to believe it works, until then it appears to be worse for hard driving.
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Definitely have some fast people on the forum. Many faster than myself. My point on all of this was not to say that SLON makes a horrible pan. Read what I wrote - I brought up a couple of negatives about the pan but overall I think it's a good product. I bought one and still have it on my car after all! My point was more about the fact that Fall-Line is a great alternative (despite the synopsis offered by others). Fall-Line has tested their product in more harsh conditions than the 20 to 30 minute sessions we all run on track. They currently and historically support race teams who utilize this same pan. Your point is that SLON is the best because a few DE guys (like myself) on the forum use it. I'm not convinced.
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Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow
In that case I'd possibly get the fall line, although it still uses a rubber seal which I'll never like. Hopefully it's a viton seal so it doesn't die on its own like the OEM seal.
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It is Viton.
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Originally Posted by Kelse92
You're talking to a brick wall here SYT. It's become pretty clear to me in my short time on this forum if Slicer sells the product it is the Bible and the all other competitors are inferior and you're not going to change his mind...this isn't the first time I've seen it.
I am interested in the comparison of the two designs though and agree the additional pickup is something to think about. My car gets tracked in 100 degree+ ambient temps frequently and I haven't yet experienced any terrible DCT overheating from it, only the occasional slower shift response, but in the future as part of the next DCT service a pan is something I'm going to consider.
If I still drove my car daily, I would probably do the Fall-Line pan as the extra ground clearance is something to consider on pot-hole filled Dallas roads, but in a mostly-track use case that I have my car in now I would also lean towards the SLON pan for the reasons stated above as well.
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It is true that I sell Fall Line; among other parts. It's also true that I sell parts that I believe in and personally test myself, and can be hard headed when I believe in something. I have passion for what I do and refuse to sell stuff that I wouldn't put on my own car. That includes NOT running or selling popular China made replica wheels on track and imported wheel studs with sub-par strength. Not sure what else you are referring to in your statement. I stand by what I say on those topics. Keep in mind that I could be selling 100000x's more product if I didn't have this standard. It's far easier to sell the cheap stuff. If this was all about money for me I would sell whatever sells, without regard for my principals.
With respect to Fall Line - I have and sell alternatives to their parts. SPL, Ground Control, etc. However since moving back to the midwest, I have had the opportunity to speak with them in more detail, better understand what they do, see their facility, see their work, and their knowledge is second to none. I have been to many of the shops in CA or seen their builds on track. This Fall-Line stuff is next level. The only builds that I have seen which are comparable is the work done by TJ / Trinity. But even he would admit that he has limitations (Fall Line has a full machine shop, large team, extensive pro-race history and budget, etc).
I didn't start this thread, I simply added to it. There are a few guys here who are strongly in support of SLON. I'm here offering counter points, and details to help educate. I have been contributing to this forum and worked on the e9x platform for over 10 years. I have done my time. You don't have to listen to my opinion but I take offense to the implication that I am influenced by sales. It's the opposite. My sales are influenced by what I believe, test, and know to be quality. This at the cost of selling far less. This is a passion project for me and I have other sources of income. If I were relying on this solely for survival I would be more likely to compromise my principals for the sake of sales - like I see so many companies do.