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Originally Posted by Law
You do realize all that fancy talk about magnesium and twin turbos only amount to a 25% difference/new development right?
Just thought you should know, since numbers are so important.
Its no secret that the F8x is probably the most capable out-of-the-box M3 to date and is faster than its predecessors, as it should be.
If the numbers game is what's most important to you then congratulations, you currently own the most capable and up-to-date generation, until the next generation, or until an F82 GTS or Nissan GT-R pulls up next to you.
It's an endless cycle as there will always be newer & better performing cars, but some people just want the newest and fastest car period...and more power to them, literally.
But not everyone shares that mindset.
In particular, many car enthusiasts value emotional thrill and theatre much more than numbers. Neither 0-60 numbers nor 'Ring times is going to change that.
It's the same reason why anyone would choose a 6MT over a DCT/PDK.
To many, the pedigree, tradition, and story of a marque is important. The feel and soul of revving a sonorous engine built upon such pedigree/tradition is not something that can be measured in metrics.
There's a reason why 993s, 997 GT3s, E30 M3s, etc, are sought after and retain value. Hell, even the E46 ZCP (yea the one with the horrid, heavy, iron block) is holding steady in value.
To discount older generations of well-established nameplates like "911" and "M3" because the newest one is faster & "better" on paper is not something I can agree with.
To some, it's about "results", as you said yourself.
And that's fine, but realize that to others there's more to a car than numbers and spec sheets.
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Not sure why you had to intervene in a post I addressed as comments to someone else, but here we go.
I don't care about the numbers, not sure where you got that impression from. When I say results, I mean as in "a better car", the whole enchilada. The F80 handles better than the E46, E90, and E30 (most of all) and is just a much more exciting car to push to the limits. I'm on the fence about the E36 - perhaps it's the rosy glow of first M car ownership but I recall it being better balanced overall than the E46.
I am able to recognize the achievements past without being blind to their shortcomings. For example, if I were to build a track car right now, based on the price vs fun ratio I would do an E46. And if cost were no issue then I wouldn't stop at BMWs doorstep.
But the best M car that i have sampled to date is the F80, as simple as that. Forget lap times, it's the best driving tool they made outside the unobtainium specials (CSL, GTS, etc.).
And if you value emotional thrill and theatre above all - and want to stay in BMW land - then forget the M3 of any generation - just get a Z4M coupe or roadster and call it a day. Their one and only real sports car. Everything else is just a sedan, autrement coiffé.