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      09-11-2014, 10:24 PM   #59
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Originally Posted by bigjae1976 View Post
I've been doing HPDEs a little longer than you. I've seen 6 crashes.

I will agree that the risks increase as you go up in speed and run groups. But to generalize everyone and every event based of your experience is wrong. Because not everyone experiences an average of a crash per event. Yeah, I've driven in TX where there are tracks with run off BUT there are plenty of dangerous turns. I've also done 5 days at the Milwaukee Mile where there are walls on both sides of the track and zero grass on the exits of the fastest turns. I've seen 3 spins/offs. No crashes...that's it.

There's the difference...different DE orgs attract a certain kind of person. I've driven with a wide range of DE orgs and there is a wide range of attention to safety. The difference with the DE org I drove and instructed with in TX IS they discuss, in depth, what to do when a driver goes off. Instructors are EXPECTED to discuss this with the students. Lap times are not discussed between students and instructors. I actually discourage lap timing in the novice and intermediate groups.

I would re-evaluate who you drive with if you're seeing at least a crash per event. I would not tolerate that rate of incidents...I wouldn't be doing HPDEs if I thought a crash at an event was normal.
There's a lot of crashes at hpde's in California. I've run with almost every group from drift/time trial/race focused groups (I never run in those specific run groups) to very "safe" groups like HoD and BMWCCA and have seen crashes. I've been to an event with 3-4 crashes in a day. Luckily none have ever involved multiple cars. It's almost always a car spinning into a wall. Lots of them happen to be GT3's
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