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Originally Posted by ragingclue
OK I misunderstood, I thought you were talking about your buddy's car when you said it had the Track Pack. I just don't agree on the pre-'13s; they shouldn't be walking laterally when you're at 50% throttle and they do pretty well at the track before soak. I haven't driven a '13+ yet so I can't really say or understand what it's like. I do trust Pobst's opinion on these things, but he has flip-flopped on cars before, running them in one comparo and saying x, y, and z about it, then that same model pops up in another comparo and he says something in stark contrast to his previous review. But I respect his driving ability quite a bit.
The things you're saying about the '13 GT500 vs ZL-1, they can be said (in reversed roles) about the drag strip too. The Shelby obliterates the ZL-1 there. One car has all kinds of engineering into it which favors a road course, the other has the beans for the strip. Honestly, I don't think I'd take FI cars of this size to the track without upgrades well beyond what GM and Ford put on those cars from the factory (even after factory options), and even then I'd still take the BOSS and 1LE over their respective big brothers. The GT500 with a road-course package seems like lipstick on a pig to me, and I guess the ZL-1 seems like maybe lipstick on a half-woman, half-pig; depending on which half is the pig I might hit it though.
GM, as we've seen lately, is doing a helluva job with the Magic Ride Control (yes I know that's not the proper acronym but it literally does perform magic on that pig), and is making some great cars which can lap well beyond what you'd think based just off the stat sheets. I'm sure the next wave of Cadillac's V series cars will also impress people in that regard quite a bit. GM is doing great things, that Z/28 and 1LE are phenomenal.
And honestly how many people are going to go to Germany to track these cars...? Comparisons at VIR, Gingerman, Streets, etc... make much more sense to me. I hate to sound like an old curmudgeon, but I empathize with James May on the Nurburgring to a point. I wouldn't want to see it disappear, but I'd sure like it to not be the focal point of every conversation when it comes to comparing two cars with sporting pretensions. However, I know I'm guilty of feeding that beast too.
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See that's what I mean the camaro isn't the best straight line car but at least it's capable of doing everything well. It just seems with GT500 they threw that idea out the window, really wouldn't be hard for them too pick up the phone call Bosch/BMI etc and make magnetic ride for the mustang. I just wish they would have put the effort they did into the Boss/Laguna Seca into the GT500 but it is far from the case. Honestly yes it goes mid-high 11s but even at that the car should be going very low 11s with 127mph trap speed so they couldn't even get launch control right
I understand it's still a mustang but come on it's 50k+ i'd like some sophistication.
Compare a ZL1 to a GT500 on any road course you want it walks the floor with it put it on a real track that is more turns than straights and well it's game over expect easy 5sec+ differential lap to lap easily. VIR, Gingerman, Laguna Seca, all prove the advantages of the ZL1 to the GT500 but put it on track with lots of corners i.e. the ring and you can see the GT500 is so outdated with it's technology. Anyone can bolt a blower on a V8 and go mid 11s it's 2013 people have been doing it since the 70s lol.