Rolex Submariner

Over the years I’ve had a few dozen great watches. Rolex, Panerai, Cartier, etc. After not wearing my SS Submariner (Black face/Date) for several years I let a friend buy it. That was about ten years ago. Now I miss it! I’ve been to/called about a dozen Rolex dealers. No Submariners available. I put myself on several lists and have decided to wait a few months until one becomes available. When did steel Rolex watches get so rare?

At least 4 to 5 years.... by about 2018, long waiting lists... post pandemic, even worse as the factory shut down for a little.

5 years ago, I could walk into a store and choose them.
2 Years ago, I got on 3 lists and was able to get 2 to buy... ended up buying one.
Now - pandemic era - even worse.

Check out used prices if you really want to be shocked.

ASAP wrote

At least 4 to 5 years.... by about 2018, long waiting lists... post pandemic, even worse as the factory shut down for a little.

5 years ago, I could walk into a store and choose them.
2 Years ago, I got on 3 lists and was able to get 2 to buy... ended up buying one.
Now - pandemic era - even worse.

Check out used prices if you really want to be shocked.

I did. I’d rather wait 10 years than pay some shyster an extra 10k.

Just a public-service announcement for you Rolex owners to let you know it's 9:28am EST. I know how unreliable those "great watches" can be when you just want to know the time!

BMWCCA1 wrote

Just a public-service announcement for you Rolex owners to let you know it's 9:28am EST. I know how unreliable those "great watches" can be when you just want to know the time!

If you want to know what time it actually is, check your phone. My Omega Speedy keeps better time than my Rolex.

The problem with Rolex is they are like iPhones. Android is a much better phone but has not market value where iPhones have enormous resale value and can demand such higher over priced watches in comparison. I have both Rolex and Omega (speedy) and hands down Omega is superior for half the cost. Then again, my Omega also brings in half the resale value then a Rolex would.

BMWCCA1 wrote

Just a public-service announcement for you Rolex owners to let you know it's 9:28am EST. I know how unreliable those "great watches" can be when you just want to know the time!

Friendly News flash: No mechanical watch keeps 100% accurate time. Rolex are very accurate for mechanical. You want accuracy—buy a quartz watch or look at you phone. PSA: your car speedo isn’t accurate either. Trade it in on a Tesla. Lol.......analogy not perfect, yet.... Happy Holidays!

the "scarcity" started about 3-4 years ago now when rolex announced it was going to limit supply throughout the year and trickle out watches to the network instead of dumping them in big batches.

and its gotten to a point where a lot of dealers now wont sell the highly sought after watches to just anyone who wants one; youll have to spend a significant amount on the least desirable watches to get one of the good sport watches.

it was a good business plan for rolex because now they can sell those two tones and datejusts at a much higher rate than before, but it screws the end user. but Rolex's goal has never been to allow just anyone to get a rolex. they want it to be an exclusive thing

I bet I could get one if I offered to pay in 9mm ammo.

I miss mine all the time too. I wore it constantly until somebody was waiting for me behind my car at a Fiesta mart and took it off me at gunpoint. Put me off four figure watches for life or at least in my zip code. If I lived in a gated community and commuted secure parking lot I might consider another one but for sure be very careful where you where these things. Scariest moment of my life and I've had a few close calls.

erickonphoenix wrote

I miss mine all the time too. I wore it constantly until somebody was waiting for me behind my car at a Fiesta mart and took it off me at gunpoint. Put me off four figure watches for life or at least in my zip code. If I lived in a gated community and commuted secure parking lot I might consider another one but for sure be very careful where you where these things. Scariest moment of my life and I've had a few close calls.

Yikes. Glad you weren't hurt. A watch can be replaced. Funny part is I used to wear an expensive (ish) Omega in Thailand. They sell so many fake watches there I figured no one would know it was real.

So I'm looking at inventory of a watch vendor that deals in copies. High end copies. And I point at one and say "that is nice". He says "your watch is very nice". I tell him it's a copy and he laughs. Tells me any watch dealer can tell from 10 feet it's a real one.

Now the watch sits in it's winder almost permanently. I could wear it around the house or the club but I usually wear a golf GPS watch so meh. I have a beautiful watch that rarely leaves the box.

BMWCCA1 wrote

Just a public-service announcement for you Rolex owners to let you know it's 9:28am EST. I know how unreliable those "great watches" can be when you just want to know the time!

So to take the Rolex keeping crappy time and I don't disagree, I drive a '96 Porsche, if I wanted the best I'd buy a brand new one with a big tune on it, I drive an older car because it's what I enjoy.....I also enjoy my Sea Dweller, there are definitely much better time pieces and better time keepers but it's what I like.

My experience has been that Rolex need a service every 2 years or so to keep the best time, and you need to be particular about where to have it done. Had a larger Rolex AD do a service on my wife's watch, and it was just not keeping time, and she wore it all the time. Had another place check it out, and they sent it to the main Rolex hub for a better look. The case had been tweaked a bit and needed to be replaced. They obviously did a great job, the watch looked better than new when we got it back, had all new paperwork due to the new serial# etc. but it took around 4 months and cost upwards of 4K, for what should have been a simple service.

if youre wearing any mechanical watch for accuracy, youre doing it wrong. even a rolex, that when properly serviced and has a +/- 2second a day accuracy, is only as accurate as the guy setting the time on it.

Colodano wrote

My experience has been that Rolex need a service every 2 years or so to keep the best time, and you need to be particular about where to have it done. Had a larger Rolex AD do a service on my wife's watch, and it was just not keeping time, and she wore it all the time. Had another place check it out, and they sent it to the main Rolex hub for a better look. The case had been tweaked a bit and needed to be replaced. They obviously did a great job, the watch looked better than new when we got it back, had all new paperwork due to the new serial# etc. but it took around 4 months and cost upwards of 4K, for what should have been a simple service.

this is just wrong. even rolex doesnt recommend servicing in this short of intervals.

ive serviced thousands of watches and most quality watches serviced with the proper oils and greases dont notice any timing changes in 5+ years.

Thanks for starting this thread. I’ve seen the same thing. Used to be able to walk into a store and buy a sub. Nowadays it’s 1-2 years wait and even then, they would sell to repeat customers first. It’s become as if they’re doing you a favor and it’s annoying to me. It’s not a LaFerrari where you need to buy Ferraris first before qualifying. It’s a fcking watch that is not limited. I don’t care for Rolex and this experience has turned me off from it. My dad is set on a sub though so unfortunately I need to go through this in order to buy him one. I would much rather get a JLC than a Rolex.

Rolex was never meant to be the best watch around... it was meant to be one of the most sought after and they do damn well at that. Resale value and overall market want proves it. You can thirty other brands and umless you are touching Patek or something liek Audemars, the overall ambience, coolness, luxury favtor and recognition won't come close to Rolex. Their watched are also simple and almost nothing is over the top but keeps classix proportions... the submariner is a beauty in its simplicity.

Not every Rolex steel watch is on high demand , I think you can find Rolex Air King 116900 easily .
However, Rolex Submariner is totally different and it's the most copied watch model I guess .
I think scarcity started back in when Rolex introduced GMT MASTER II BLNR and it topped when Daytona 166500 LN was released and has been escalating since SKY DWELLER BLUE 326934
Rolex Submariner is my favorite model of the crowned brand , I was saying Daytona was when I had it but it turned out to be I love Rolex Submariner more than I did with the Daytona

I made a similar thread almost exactly 2 years ago and even then it was very difficult. Now it’s straight up insane~

Rolex Sport SS Demand

ASAP wrote

Rolex was never meant to be the best watch around... it was meant to be one of the most sought after and they do damn well at that. Resale value and overall market want proves it. You can thirty other brands and umless you are touching Patek or something liek Audemars, the overall ambience, coolness, luxury favtor and recognition won't come close to Rolex. Their watched are also simple and almost nothing is over the top but keeps classix proportions... the submariner is a beauty in its simplicity.

As for never meant to be the best watch around, I'm not exactly sure what your referring to. They were probably meant to be a fine tool watch, a reliable device at extreme depth and height.

But I guess one could argue Rolex might/could be the best watch, their cases (no doubt Audemars cases are extremely good) the Rolex 904 steel and the machining for the stems on Rolex. Rolex mainsprings are also extremely good, as are the balance wheels. So Rolex escapements can go up against anything. Is any Tourbillion escapement better than a Rolex escapement ?

VeloF1 wrote

Friendly News flash: No mechanical watch keeps 100% accurate time. Rolex are very accurate for mechanical. You want accuracy—buy a quartz watch or look at you phone. PSA: your car speedo isn’t accurate either. Trade it in on a Tesla. Lol.......analogy not perfect, yet.... Happy Holidays!

I never bought a Mechanical watch for accuracy. I have a computer (Apple Watch) on my right wrist for that, and also touch less pay almost everywhere I shop. I buy mechanical watches because of the wonder and amazement of all of those tiny parts working in harmony on my wrist. Also it’s neat to think that it is running solely on my energy. And they are nice jewelry!

Frupal wrote

I buy mechanical watches because of the wonder and amazement of all of those tiny parts working in harmony on my wrist. Also it’s neat to think that it is running solely on my energy. And they are nice jewelry!

This.