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      06-15-2014, 02:32 PM   #1
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Disappointment after Carrera test drive

Made an appointment at my local Porsche dealership. The sales rep pull up a Carrera with PDK at first glance the car looks beautiful. In side is where I noticed some drawbacks. The seats weren't that supportive an could not get use to the paddles on the wheel. Driving the car was ... Ok. It drove nice at slow speeds, couldn't really push the car since there was a LOT of traffic. I took it to redline once, felt ok I think my m3 pulls harder. I would definitely need more time the car to make a decision. It almost felt like a 335 vs m3 be it that it was a base model 911. Would I need to step up to a CS, GT3 Ect. To get aggressive feel that I thought the car was lacking. Has anyone else felt this way?
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Made an appointment at my local Porsche dealership. The sales rep pull up a Carrera with PDK at first glance the car looks beautiful. In side is where I noticed some drawbacks. The seats weren't that supportive an could not get use to the paddles on the wheel. Driving the car was ... Ok. It drove nice at slow speeds, couldn't really push the car since there was a LOT of traffic. I took it to redline once, felt ok I think my m3 pulls harder. I would definitely need more time the car to make a decision. It almost felt like a 335 vs m3 be it that it was a base model 911. Would I need to step up to a CS, GT3 Ect. To get aggressive feel that I thought the car was lacking. Has anyone else felt this way?
I tend to be underwhelmed when I test drive most cars. Think it's that I build things up in my head. Didn't enjoy the e90 first time out either still bought it and loved it. Converse test drove the i3 last week expecting to hate it and was actually impressed.
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      06-15-2014, 03:06 PM   #3
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Never been in a 991, or a non-s 997, but I actually thought the same thing until I rode around the track in one with a guy who has it going on. The car comes alive over 6000 rpm, pulls steady and hard - precise and predictable.
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A friend and local forum member here has a 991 S and that thing is a beast. Keep in mind, on the tracks, it's almost as quick as a 997 GT3. He absolutely pummeled me at CMP. It can feel a little underwhelming under 4k RPM, but that thing hauls.

The biggest criticism I have is the base seats are terrible. I almost never get back pain driving cars, but this one has such a weird design. Only 30 mins in and my back is already killing me.
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The base 911 is pretty underpowered so it's understandable to be underwhelmed.
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The base 911 is pretty underpowered so it's understandable to be underwhelmed.
Why does a base 911 even exist? Why buy this over a Cayman S?
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Why does a base 911 even exist? Why buy this over a Cayman S?
I certainly would pick a Cayman S over a base Carrera myself.
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The base is such a waste of money. You go S or go home.
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The base is such a waste of money. You go S or go home.
I went home.
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Drive it a few more times. And yes Cayman S is much better.
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I certainly would pick a Cayman S over a base Carrera myself.
Saw one today with German plates on it ,looks even more aggressive than the 911 and sounds nice too,but still i'm prefer our V8 and the sound of it !
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What really opened my eyes to how good the M3 experience wise is was a "Lifestyles" auto-x event where I drove an F430 and a base Lambo Gallardo for several laps in a fairly high-speed auto-x course at the same location I've auto-xed in my M3 before. While those cars are faster and felt lighter, the sound, feel, and frenetic nature of the S65 make the M3 driving experience almost as rewarding as the F430 and Gallardo. From the cockpit a FBO M3 sounds just as good as either of those cars and makes you realize what it really takes to achieve that type of experience.
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Why does a base 911 even exist? Why buy this over a Cayman S?
To make money by selling a 911 to people who can't quite afford a C2S. And not everyone wants a Cayman. It doesn't have the legacy, history, and prestige of a 911, and it still has the stigma of being the porsche for people who can't afford a 911. Not to mention it's a bit less practical with the lack of back seats.
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To make money by selling a 911 to people who can't quite afford a C2S. And not everyone wants a Cayman. It doesn't have the legacy, history, and prestige of a 911, and it still has the stigma of being the porsche for people who can't afford a 911. Not to mention it's a bit less practical with the lack of back seats.
i would say its more for people who dont really care about that extra performance. its a 911 its nice looking, and still a fun car. probs a lot of older people buying this.

IMO for the most part if you can afford a brand new 911, you can afford the S.
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i would say its more for people who dont really care about that extra performance. its a 911 its nice looking, and still a fun car. probs a lot of older people buying this.

IMO for the most part if you can afford a brand new 911, you can afford the S.
Couldn't have said it better myself. A large part of the 911's target market is rich middle aged men who want a nice refined sports car with lots of prestige and a timeless legacy (neither of which a Cayman has). Most of those people will never mod their car or take it to a track. They probably won't even drive it too fast on the road either. So neither the extra power of the C2S nor the better handling of a Cayman matters that much.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. A large part of the 911's target market is rich middle aged men who want a nice refined sports car with lots of prestige and a timeless legacy (neither of which a Cayman has). Most of those people will never mod their car or take it to a track. They probably won't even drive it too fast on the road either. So neither the extra power of the C2S nor the better handling of a Cayman matters that much.
I would tend to think that most people who buy a Porsche sports car are enthusiasts to a degree at least. No, the Cayman doesn't have the legacy, but it has everything else over a base 911. And come on....can you really call those back seats? I don't think anyone who buys a 911 even considers the seating in the decision process.
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I would tend to think that most people who buy a Porsche sports car are enthusiasts to a degree at least. No, the Cayman doesn't have the legacy, but it has everything else over a base 911. And come on....can you really call those back seats? I don't think anyone who buys a 911 even considers the seating in the decision process.
many people who buy 911 are rich douchebags in a midlife crisis who want a status symbol/pussy magnet and are not necessarily seeking driving thrills. Its the same to some extent with other expensive european sports cars from luxurious marques.

The best way to avoid that is to buy the GTR that you hate so much. Since it doesn't bring prestige and it doesn't work at all as a status symbol or pussy magnet, then you're guaranteed that almost everyone who buys it is an enthusiast
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I would tend to think that most people who buy a Porsche sports car are enthusiasts to a degree at least. No, the Cayman doesn't have the legacy, but it has everything else over a base 911. And come on....can you really call those back seats? I don't think anyone who buys a 911 even considers the seating in the decision process.
There are plenty of 50 year old something soccer moms driving around base 911's. There's actually one down the street from me with a red one
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Screw legacy, it was all about the experience for me.
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I thought the 991 C2 was a great car, but this was at their world roadshow event so the "test drive" was on a track (not to mention the demo cars are loaded with every possible option)... for that ridiculous price tag though, I'd take a Cayman S any day
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