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      05-18-2014, 10:52 AM   #1
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E93 to GT-R?

Let me say that my experience thus far (10 months) with my E93 has been nothing short of remarkable... there is much about the car I love but there is just as much that I do not.. (shakes, rattles, body roll, extra 400 + lbs., lack of trunk space with top down, lack of low end torque etc.) I had an idea of what I was getting into with this car but you can't really appreciate what is has/doesn't have until you've owned it for a while. A local dealer has a pretty good offer on a 2014 jet black GT-R Premium. I am going to drive it this week and see if it's what I'm looking for.. I'd like to track the car as well as use it as a semi-daily driver... Anyone have an experience like this.... thoughts on going from an M3 to a GT-R?
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Yes there's plenty of threads on m3 to gtr. But a better question is after reading your post why did you buy a vert?
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      05-18-2014, 11:19 AM   #3
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I'd say keep the M3 vert, but I'm biased
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Yes there's plenty of threads on m3 to gtr. But a better question is after reading your post why did you buy a vert?
+1, clearly the GTR will not have an open top. I would say you are comparing two completely different vehicles. I'm always surprised how many people compare the M3 to a dedicated sports car. The M3, IMHO, is a sports car, but it is also a practical daily driver (best as a sedan, to me). I've never thought of the M3 as the ultimate sports car, but it has always been, to me, the ultimate all around car.

Perhaps that's why I've owned an E36 M3 and E90 M3 (both sedans) and never have owned an E30 M3 nor an E46 M3. The sedan/practicality is the true value add. Similarly, the M3 vert is a totally different car that I would consider for totally different reasons than the M3 sedan. I'm not sure I'd even consider an M3 coupe unless it would be a dedicated track car where the extra two doors of the sedan are superfluous.
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      05-18-2014, 11:26 AM   #5
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I love my M3, this would be my 5th one already had them all except for the E30. The GTR is an awesome machine, I wouldn't buy it and that's because I don't like its looks but that's me. Now have you looked into a P car, that would be my next.
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E93 <E92 &E90
GTR > E92 & E90

Major performance upgrade....maintenance costs are insane on GTR other than that no brainer....
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      05-18-2014, 01:31 PM   #7
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Major performance upgrade....maintenance costs are insane on GTR other than that no brainer....
Are they? I keep hearing that all the time. But how does it compare to other supercars? The nearest rival is the 911 Turbo. Is is any cheaper to maintain? I'm not even sure if an M3 is that much cheaper to maintain than a GT-R. The GTR is quite reliable with few problems. I know many of the fluids and oils can be a bit expensive since almost all of them are "special" and are hard to source. But that's the same with the M3. All the fluids on our cars are also expensive synthetic German stuff.
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I'm betting you won't like the GT-R because you selected an E93 M3 over an E92 M3. If you wanted a very sporty but comfortable and luxurious car, my guess is you would have been swayed to get an E92 M3 DCT w/ CF roof. But the E93, like you said, is much heavier and much less dynamic.

The GT-R has a lot of road noise, transmission whine, etc. compared to the E9x M3. With that being said, it's MUCH faster and its lateral limits are higher as well. I think it would be a mistake to say that your car isn't up to your expectations (things you mentioned like weight, body roll, etc.) and then completely the opposite direction and get a GT-R.

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The GT-R is a huge step down in regards to quality and amenities. It sure as hell is fast and can corner like nothing in its price bracket but at the end of the day you're still left with a car that obviously sacrificed everything for performance. If you're still on the fence, consider this--there is a case to be made that it is a pedophiles favorite car: young men idolize it, and likely would be eager for a ride in it..it's like a dressed up candy van.
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GTR! Com on mann, it's a super car killer.
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OP, maybe consider a C7? It might not be as fast as a GT-R (though the Z06 may be another story....), but it would still give you a substantial performance upgrade over your E93, allow you to retain the convertible aspect (even in the coupe since it's a removable hardtop), has a nicer interior than a GT-R, and would be dramatically less expensive to purchase and maintain. Of course you give up rear seats, but the GT-R's rear seats barely qualify as seats anyway. Just food for thought.
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The GT-R is a huge step down in regards to quality and amenities. .
Quality? It's one of the most overengineered cars on the market. Bespoke frame as opposed to our mass produced 3 series frame. Bespoke handmade engine and gearbox, something we don't have. The best AWD system on any performance car. Track focused suspension and brakes, not like our laughable monopiston calipers and soft EDC suspension. DCT just as good as the one on an M3. An engine that is proven to be bulletproof for well over 700 hp, unlike our S65 that throws a rod bearing anytime it gets a bit cold out there.

Amenities? let's see. My car has power windows, power door locks, keyless entry, keyless ignition, alarm, power seats with memory function, heated leather seats, power mirrors, autodimming function on said mirrors, cruise control, automatic HID headlights, automatic wipers, bluetooth, NAV, CD player, satellite radio, MP3, stereo sound, control buttons on the steering wheel, ABS, Traction control, cigarette lighter, 12 V power outlet.

Well what do you know? All of those features come standard on a GTR too!

Oh wait. I just thought of 3 things on my car that you can't get on a GTR. I have the sunroof (which seems widely hated and despised on this forum), a ski bag (people actually take an M3 up the Alps on ski trips?????), and that useless rear sunshade that doesn't do anything. Ok you're right. It's settled. I'll keep my M3 and never buy a GTR unless Nissan decides to add those options.

The GTR, face the facts, is in a whole different league far superior to anything BMW ever made.
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Ive had a 600bhp stage 4 GTR for 2 yrs and sold it 2 months ago( getting married ) and bought an e92 m3 manual

Sheer speed and acceleration on the GTR is brutal and the gearbox is super quick at shifting. Brakes and grip is phenomenal. Only problem is that its not as refined as the M3 so you hear the typical gearbox and mechanical sounds. Bellhousing was an issue on the earlier cars and I had mine replaced with an upgraded one.

Servicing and tyres can be quite expensive compared to the M3 but the GTR is a very reliable car if it's looked after.

The M3 is a nicer place to be on longer journeys and is by far the better daily driver as you do feel the size of the GTR in the tight London roads. Long journeys are no problem in my m3 as my lower back agrees ( get lower back pains in the GTR).

Would I get another GTR? Hell yeah. Its not an everyday car but my car got mental amounts of positive attention and when you're on it , the buzz is something else.

Sound system in the GTR is awful even if its says BOSE on it and the M3 one is miles better. ( logic7)

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Quality? It's one of the most overengineered cars on the market. Bespoke frame as opposed to our mass produced 3 series frame. Bespoke handmade engine and gearbox, something we don't have. The best AWD system on any performance car. Track focused suspension and brakes, not like our laughable monopiston calipers and soft EDC suspension. DCT just as good as the one on an M3. An engine that is proven to be bulletproof for well over 700 hp, unlike our S65 that throws a rod bearing anytime it gets a bit cold out there.

Amenities? let's see. My car has power windows, power door locks, keyless entry, keyless ignition, alarm, power seats with memory function, heated leather seats, power mirrors, autodimming function on said mirrors, cruise control, automatic HID headlights, automatic wipers, bluetooth, NAV, CD player, satellite radio, MP3, stereo sound, control buttons on the steering wheel, ABS, Traction control, cigarette lighter, 12 V power outlet.

Well what do you know? All of those features come standard on a GTR too!

Oh wait. I just thought of 3 things on my car that you can't get on a GTR. I have the sunroof (which seems widely hated and despised on this forum), a ski bag (people actually take an M3 up the Alps on ski trips?????), and that useless rear sunshade that doesn't do anything. Ok you're right. It's settled. I'll keep my M3 and never buy a GTR unless Nissan decides to add those options.

The GTR, face the facts, is in a whole different league far superior to anything BMW ever made.
Absolutely no hate on my end. My observations are actually rather factual. The interior of those cars are abysmal, nothing short of it, and consider this, you spend most of your time around the car, inside it...quality has many aspects, drivetrain in that car is very purposeful and built for it, at the cost of everything else.

Another note, bespoke anything doesn't actually apply at this price point, it's still mass produced; although I have never understood the appeal of AMG's "hand built by one technician" philosophy, however that is neither here nor there.
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Absolutely no hate on my end. My observations are actually rather factual. The interior of those cars are abysmal, nothing short of it, and consider this, you spend most of your time around the car, inside it...quality has many aspects, drivetrain in that car is very purposeful and built for it, at the cost of everything else.

Another note, bespoke anything doesn't actually apply at this price point, it's still mass produced; although I have never understood the appeal of AMG's "hand built by one technician" philosophy, however that is neither here nor there.
The interior of the GTR isn't a terrible place to be. It does look nice but it isn't nice enough for the price tag its sold at.
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Absolutely no hate on my end. My observations are actually rather factual. The interior of those cars are abysmal, nothing short of it, and consider this, you spend most of your time around the car, inside it...quality has many aspects, drivetrain in that car is very purposeful and built for it, at the cost of everything else.
Have you sat inside a new black edition? I agree the interior was a bit crappy on older models. But the new black editions arent all that bad.
Not sure what's so terrible about that interior.

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Another note, bespoke anything doesn't actually apply at this price point, it's still mass produced; although I have never understood the appeal of AMG's "hand built by one technician" philosophy, however that is neither here nor there.
What's mass produced? The GTR? BMW probably sells 10 times as many M3's as Nissan sells GTR. I believe total sales of the GTr in all north america was less than 1000 units for 2013 or so. The GTR is bespoke. Every part of the car: the engine, steering, suspension, frame, body panels, drive train, brakes, AWD, etc... are all specifically designed and built for the GTR. It doesn't share anything with any other Nissan or Infiniti car. That qualifies as bespoke. And yes, in case you didn't know, a GTR's engine and gearbox are both handmade by one technician.
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Ive had a 600bhp stage 4 GTR for 2 yrs and sold it 2 months ago( getting married ) and bought an e92 m3 manual

Sheer speed and acceleration on the GTR is brutal and the gearbox is super quick at shifting. Brakes and grip is phenomenal. Only problem is that its not as refined as the M3 so you hear the typical gearbox and mechanical sounds. Bellhousing was an issue on the earlier cars and I had mine replaced with an upgraded one.

Servicing and tyres can be quite expensive compared to the M3 but the GTR is a very reliable car if it's looked after.

The M3 is a nicer place to be on longer journeys and is by far the better daily driver as you do feel the size of the GTR in the tight London roads. Long journeys are no problem in my m3 as my lower back agrees ( get lower back pains in the GTR).

Would I get another GTR? Hell yeah. Its not an everyday car but my car got mental amounts of positive attention and when you're on it , the buzz is something else.

Sound system in the GTR is awful even if its says BOSE on it and the M3 one is miles better. ( logic7)

Questions for past GTR owners:

I read on the GTR forums etc. that the transmissions on the GTR were a huge problem and many were having problems and needing to be replaced on quite a few of these. Any validity to that?

As far as maintenance etc. versus the M3 ....can you give us some comparisons? Like a comparison between oil change costs etc. ?? I have ready horror stories of 1k to 3k a year or something crazy like that???......
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I read on the GTR forums etc. that the transmissions on the GTR were a huge problem and many were having problems and needing to be replaced on quite a few of these. Any validity to that?

As far as maintenance etc. versus the M3 ....can you give us some comparisons? Like a comparison between oil change costs etc. ?? I have ready horror stories of 1k to 3k a year or something crazy like that???......
I think the transmission problems were on the early 2008 cars. They had a very aggressive launch control. Owners were abusing it by doing several LC over and over without letting the car cool down. The gearbox broke, usually it was 1st gear that got munched. Nissan read the balck box data and refused warranty. They had to pay $20k out of pocket for a new transmission. Later models had the LC heavily tweaked over and never had this problem again. That's all I heard of GTR transmission problems really.

I can't possibly imagine an oil change being that expensive. I think they use off the shelf Mobi 1 oil which you can get at Wal Mart. And it's a Nissan dealership, so labor rates shouldn't be that bad. I'm pretty sure the gearbox, diff, and steering use special oils that aren't cheap, but our cars also require German made synthetic oils too. I'd like to know the maintenance costs of a GTR too, but I don't think it's as bad as some people make it out to be.
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For the above questions - I had my GTR for two years but I am from London but I can give you relative costs.

on the 2009+ cars I've heard of no transmission problems and mine ran without a hitch. I did fit the willall clips in the gearbox solenoid as a preventative measure as it can cause the car to not select 2 4 6 gear or 1 3 5 gears. Was a cheap fix though

Since my car was a 2009 I had to service 6 monthly or 6000 miles , I couldve moved it to the yearly servicing schedule like the later cars but I didnt want to harm resale value.
Servicing can be carried out at GTR specialists who dont charge the earth like Nissan do and would do a far better job. I took mine to Litchfield Imports ( well renowned GTR specialists)

Tyres I would say are the biggest killer as the rims are 20" along with brakes as it is a big heavy car. And the car did guzzle fuel! The m3 is loads more economical.

When I do look back it. The GTR is an expensive car to maintain properly and you can at least double whatever you pay on the M3.
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