BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > M3 (E90 / E92 / E93) > M3 vs....
 
Steve Thomas BMW
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      04-30-2014, 08:34 PM   #23
Ezio
Colonel
 
Ezio's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 E92 M3
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: MI

Posts: 2,591
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros View Post
Well they said the same thing about the GTR, that Nissan made the ECU uncrackable. But tuners were able to crack it eventually and get more power out of it. The S55 is already realistically putting out close to 450 hp stock. I believe it's likely with some tuning and bolt ons you can push that to mid to high 500's, which is about as high as you can reliably get out of a supercharged S65 anyway. And even then the S55 will still own the S65 in terms of low end torque. And with less weight to move around, the S55 doesn't even need to match the power output of the S65 to achieve the same acceleration.

sure chances are they will be able to get some tuning out of this car. but analyzing the engine i would be surprised if this thing sees a 100HP gain with a tune + bolt ons. ONLY because of the size of the turbos and the 18PSI stock. i think the turbos of this car is going to be what holds it back.

they still haven't full "cracked" the F10 M5.

I am not trying to say the S65 is better for adding power. all i am saying is that people have high hopes for this engine (s55) when it could be a let down.

yes i understand there is more torque. personally i feel torque is overrated though when racing on a track or rolling start. where gearing and HP is more important. but thats a different debate.
__________________
Ezio is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 12:14 PM   #24
pgviper
First Lieutenant
 
Drives: X3 xdrive35i
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Long Island

Posts: 356
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezio View Post
sure chances are they will be able to get some tuning out of this car. but analyzing the engine i would be surprised if this thing sees a 100HP gain with a tune + bolt ons. ONLY because of the size of the turbos and the 18PSI stock. i think the turbos of this car is going to be what holds it back.

they still haven't full "cracked" the F10 M5.

I am not trying to say the S65 is better for adding power. all i am saying is that people have high hopes for this engine (s55) when it could be a let down.

yes i understand there is more torque. personally i feel torque is overrated though when racing on a track or rolling start. where gearing and HP is more important. but thats a different debate.

Completely agree. Torque is for the red light racer and 1/4 mile guys but for what these cars are built to do such as road race, horsepower and gearing is where its at. I have no doubt that tune's will be available rather quickly for these cars but your points are valid. The M division is already pushing this engine hard, I don't think people are going to see gains like they do in an N54 with the S55.

Time to segue into the bore vs stroke debate lol. Horsepower wins races. (PERIOD)
pgviper is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 01:29 PM   #25
NavidM3E92
Lieutenant Colonel
 
NavidM3E92's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E92 M3 ZCP
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: San Diego

Posts: 1,773
iTrader: (1)

Seems alot of E92 Owners cant accept the fact that N/A Engines are no more.
__________________
'15 /// M4 On order
'11 E92 ///M3 ZCP - Space Gray - Sold
'06 BMW 330CI ZHP
'11 E92 ///M3 ZCP AW- Sold
'06 E46 ///M3 ZCP JB- Sold
NavidM3E92 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 01:43 PM   #26
Ezio
Colonel
 
Ezio's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 E92 M3
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: MI

Posts: 2,591
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NavidM3E92
Seems alot of E92 Owners cant accept the fact that N/A Engines are no more.
I cannot accept paying 70k on a m4 when it sounds like it does. I would rather give Chevy my money and get a blown v8.
__________________
Ezio is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 01:45 PM   #27
dmk08
///Maniac
 
dmk08's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Atlanta

Posts: 2,064
iTrader: (7)

Garage List
2011 BMW M3 E92  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by NavidM3E92 View Post
Seems alot of E92 Owners cant accept the fact that N/A Engines are no more.
Unless you go buy a Lexus RCF.
dmk08 is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 01:56 PM   #28
NavidM3E92
Lieutenant Colonel
 
NavidM3E92's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E92 M3 ZCP
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: San Diego

Posts: 1,773
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezio View Post
I cannot accept paying 70k on a m4 when it sounds like it does. I would rather give Chevy my money and get a blown v8.
Lol then buy a Chevy! All you do is talk bad about this new engine and you haven't even given it a shot, nor have heard it in person.


Quote:
Originally Posted by dmk08 View Post
Unless you go buy a Lexus RCF.
Which is a nice car but never got into their style, Kind of like the Amg's
__________________
'15 /// M4 On order
'11 E92 ///M3 ZCP - Space Gray - Sold
'06 BMW 330CI ZHP
'11 E92 ///M3 ZCP AW- Sold
'06 E46 ///M3 ZCP JB- Sold
NavidM3E92 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 02:25 PM   #29
mcasseba
Private
 
Drives: 2013 BMW M3 Frozen
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: New Jersey

Posts: 62
iTrader: (0)

"If you look at the dyno graphs, the F80 makes more power at every RPM than the E90. That means more power under the curve not just at peak rpm like the E90 does. Which means even at the same amount of horsepower, the F80 is faster."

Maybe be true for stock or bolt on E92; but that M4 is going to need new turbos to catch a charged E92. Than is it really worth the investment.

Charging my E92 was the best thing ever.
mcasseba is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 02:33 PM   #30
dmk08
///Maniac
 
dmk08's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Atlanta

Posts: 2,064
iTrader: (7)

Garage List
2011 BMW M3 E92  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by NavidM3E92 View Post
Lol then buy a Chevy! All you do is talk bad about this new engine and you haven't even given it a shot, nor have heard it in person.




Which is a nice car but never got into their style, Kind of like the Amg's
I agree. Just sayin' not everyone has pussed out ha ha.
dmk08 is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 02:35 PM   #31
radiantm3
Apex Everything!
 
radiantm3's Avatar
 
Drives: >1000 HP in my garage
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Danville, CA

Posts: 3,784
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2011 E92 M3  [4.80]
2013 BMW X5M  [4.33]
Quote:
Originally Posted by NavidM3E92 View Post
Seems alot of E92 Owners cant accept the fact that N/A Engines are no more.
That's why I'm enjoying mine as long as I can (as well as 6MT). I wonder how many people realize that supercharged != N/A.
__________________
(1:40 @ Laguna Seca, 2:03 @ Thunderhill, 1:52 @ Infineon)
radiantm3 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 02:41 PM   #32
NavidM3E92
Lieutenant Colonel
 
NavidM3E92's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E92 M3 ZCP
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: San Diego

Posts: 1,773
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by radiantm3 View Post
That's why I'm enjoying mine as long as I can (as well as 6MT). I wonder how many people realize that supercharged != N/A.

There is no doubt in my mind I will pick up another E92 M3 with 6MT(both previous cars were DCT) just because it was the last V8

Lol supercharging is cool, but been there done that. The perfect car to me is the one you really dont have to modify. Which is the GT3
__________________
'15 /// M4 On order
'11 E92 ///M3 ZCP - Space Gray - Sold
'06 BMW 330CI ZHP
'11 E92 ///M3 ZCP AW- Sold
'06 E46 ///M3 ZCP JB- Sold
NavidM3E92 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 02:42 PM   #33
dmk08
///Maniac
 
dmk08's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Atlanta

Posts: 2,064
iTrader: (7)

Garage List
2011 BMW M3 E92  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by NavidM3E92 View Post
There is no doubt in my mind I will pick up another E92 M3 with 6MT(both previous cars were DCT) just because it was the last V8

Lol supercharging is cool, but been there done that. The perfect car to me is the one you really dont have to modify. Which is the GT3
You may want to buy a fire suit tho..
dmk08 is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 02:46 PM   #34
NavidM3E92
Lieutenant Colonel
 
NavidM3E92's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E92 M3 ZCP
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: San Diego

Posts: 1,773
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmk08 View Post
You may want to buy a fire suit tho..

Lol ill have to wait even longer.... but then again idk if a porsche is the best thing at my age lol
__________________
'15 /// M4 On order
'11 E92 ///M3 ZCP - Space Gray - Sold
'06 BMW 330CI ZHP
'11 E92 ///M3 ZCP AW- Sold
'06 E46 ///M3 ZCP JB- Sold
NavidM3E92 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 02:54 PM   #35
dmk08
///Maniac
 
dmk08's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Atlanta

Posts: 2,064
iTrader: (7)

Garage List
2011 BMW M3 E92  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by NavidM3E92 View Post
Lol ill have to wait even longer.... but then again idk if a porsche is the best thing at my age lol
I would own a 991 C2S right now instead of an E92 if I was 2 inches shorter.
dmk08 is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 02:57 PM   #36
NavidM3E92
Lieutenant Colonel
 
NavidM3E92's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E92 M3 ZCP
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: San Diego

Posts: 1,773
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmk08 View Post
I would own a 991 C2S right now instead of an E92 if I was 2 inches shorter.

Same here. But im looking forward to how aggressive the M4 looks.
__________________
'15 /// M4 On order
'11 E92 ///M3 ZCP - Space Gray - Sold
'06 BMW 330CI ZHP
'11 E92 ///M3 ZCP AW- Sold
'06 E46 ///M3 ZCP JB- Sold
NavidM3E92 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 03:06 PM   #37
dmk08
///Maniac
 
dmk08's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Atlanta

Posts: 2,064
iTrader: (7)

Garage List
2011 BMW M3 E92  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by NavidM3E92 View Post
Same here. But im looking forward to how aggressive the M4 looks.
I had one on order and canceled it after I saw it at the auto show. Bought another E92.
dmk08 is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 03:07 PM   #38
NavidM3E92
Lieutenant Colonel
 
NavidM3E92's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E92 M3 ZCP
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: San Diego

Posts: 1,773
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmk08 View Post
I had one on order and canceled it after I saw it at the auto show. Bought another E92.

Two each's own I guess
__________________
'15 /// M4 On order
'11 E92 ///M3 ZCP - Space Gray - Sold
'06 BMW 330CI ZHP
'11 E92 ///M3 ZCP AW- Sold
'06 E46 ///M3 ZCP JB- Sold
NavidM3E92 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 03:24 PM   #39
dmk08
///Maniac
 
dmk08's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Atlanta

Posts: 2,064
iTrader: (7)

Garage List
2011 BMW M3 E92  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by NavidM3E92 View Post
Two each's own I guess
Yeah I'm sure I'll end up with one but I couldn't pay MSRP for a car I wasn't 'smitten' with. Hopefully they will release a comp pack, some decent colors, and non hideous wheels in 2016 lol.
dmk08 is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 03:41 PM   #40
NavidM3E92
Lieutenant Colonel
 
NavidM3E92's Avatar
 
Drives: 11 E92 M3 ZCP
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: San Diego

Posts: 1,773
iTrader: (1)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmk08 View Post
Yeah I'm sure I'll end up with one but I couldn't pay MSRP for a car I wasn't 'smitten' with. Hopefully they will release a comp pack, some decent colors, and non hideous wheels in 2016 lol.

I wont be paying MRSP either.
__________________
'15 /// M4 On order
'11 E92 ///M3 ZCP - Space Gray - Sold
'06 BMW 330CI ZHP
'11 E92 ///M3 ZCP AW- Sold
'06 E46 ///M3 ZCP JB- Sold
NavidM3E92 is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 03:44 PM   #41
dmk08
///Maniac
 
dmk08's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Atlanta

Posts: 2,064
iTrader: (7)

Garage List
2011 BMW M3 E92  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by NavidM3E92 View Post
I wont be paying MRSP either.
You're lucky then. I called probably 10 dealers including BMW David and no one was willing to do under MSRP. Some even wanted more.
dmk08 is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 04:03 PM   #42
Petros
Banned
 
Drives: M3
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Canada

Posts: 959
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmk08 View Post
You're lucky then. I called probably 10 dealers including BMW David and no one was willing to do under MSRP. Some even wanted more.
That's what you get for trying to buy an all new hot model. Give it a year or two until the hype dies down and then the dealers will be begging you to take it off their hands.
Petros is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 04:12 PM   #43
dmk08
///Maniac
 
dmk08's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 E92 M3
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Atlanta

Posts: 2,064
iTrader: (7)

Garage List
2011 BMW M3 E92  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Petros View Post
That's what you get for trying to buy an all new hot model. Give it a year or two until the hype dies down and then the dealers will be begging you to take it off their hands.
Exactly why I'm driving my new E92 right now waiting for a comp pack F80
dmk08 is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
      05-01-2014, 05:25 PM   #44
Ezio
Colonel
 
Ezio's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 E92 M3
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: MI

Posts: 2,591
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by NavidM3E92 View Post
Lol ill have to wait even longer.... but then again idk if a porsche is the best thing at my age lol
you think your to young to rock a 911?

i am 22 and i would love to drive a 911. my friends which is a age group of 18-23 year old people loves 911s. they are aggressive looking and flashy. better than corvettes and BMWs thats for dam sure.
__________________
Ezio is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:14 AM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST