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      03-20-2014, 04:42 PM   #45
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i am 22 years old. i already started saying "they dont make things like they use to".
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And that was I believe a neutered V10, 2004 was the highest power year. But these were revving to nearly 19.5k rpm. CRAZY!!

That all said I hate the sound of the new engines. They sound great and very interesting as race cars, however they are simply not what F1 should sound like. If these were LeMans racers then I'd be all over the sound, again its just not F1.

The racing I feel is quite amazing though. I love seeing the drivers making a difference. If you saw when Alonso and a few others got close to eachother and battled you saw the cars twitching and showing how antsy they are. You never saw this in the V8 era. I think it will get better, I dont mind the new tech, it will definitely drive some phenomenal street car developments in the coming years. I still say however that F1 should be a firebreathing engine screaming to 20k+ rpm. And if you are a real fan, you didnt need earplugs for the V10s or the V8's....but maybe Im crazy. I loved hearing and feeling them.
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And that was I believe a neutered V10, 2004 was the highest power year. But these were revving to nearly 19.5k rpm. CRAZY!!

That all said I hate the sound of the new engines. They sound great and very interesting as race cars, however they are simply not what F1 should sound like. If these were LeMans racers then I'd be all over the sound, again its just not F1.

The racing I feel is quite amazing though. I love seeing the drivers making a difference. If you saw when Alonso and a few others got close to eachother and battled you saw the cars twitching and showing how antsy they are. You never saw this in the V8 era. I think it will get better, I dont mind the new tech, it will definitely drive some phenomenal street car developments in the coming years. I still say however that F1 should be a firebreathing engine screaming to 20k+ rpm. And if you are a real fan, you didnt need earplugs for the V10s or the V8's....but maybe Im crazy. I loved hearing and feeling them.
I've seen the V10s and 8s at Indy and COTA. Let's say I'm a bigger fan of lifetime hearing...
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i am 22 years old. i already started saying "they dont make things like they use to".
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I agree. Years of playing music, racing cars, loud concerts, and racing nitro powered model cars has left me with very bad tinitus (ringing of the ears).

When you're young the loud stuff feels good, but you pay for it later on.

Earplugs for me!

Too bad this year I wouldn't need them though.

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I hope they do something. Indycar's sound meaner.
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So would the solution be 19000 rpm rev limit and no fuel crap restrictions? Not sure what else could be done quickly.
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With what we have today, I'd agree, higher rpm's would sound better for sure, and as absurd as it sounds, a megaphone exhaust tube coming off the turbo would probably make them louder and sound better.

Higher rpm's, less fuel restrictions, and megaphone exhaust would all be cheap to implement this year even.

I'd be happy with those changes for this year, but next year I hope they listen to complaints and bring back the sweet, ear bleeding, high rpm NA engines.

Maybe they could make engines that have both NA and turbos? Like a V12 with 4 or 6 cylinders driving a turbo/HERS and the rest of the cylinders making sweet music?
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I understood that the high revving F1 engines used pneumatic valvetrains. This is what I thought allowed them to run to 20,000rpm and beyond.

Watching a video about Ferrari's new V6 powerplant that had animations of the internals, it showed an engine with dual overhead cams, nothing too special or new as far as I could see regarding technology.

On the new V6 engines, did they go back to older technology overhead cams and do away with the pneumatic valvetrains?

I could see them doing this since the new engines don't rev nearly as high, and I'd guess the reliability might be better, maybe?
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Wow. Renault says the cars are running 10-12k rpm.

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/9245979/Noise-levels-won-t-increase
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The fuel restriction is ridiculous. What are they trying to achieve?
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First it was not attending the USGP, now I'm also not buying the game when it comes out. I'm boycotting it all.
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Wow. Renault says the cars are running 10-12k rpm.

http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227...won-t-increase
I think they are all in the same area of Rev's. They need more fuel flow.


Why can't fueling in pit stops come back. Indycar, Nascar and V8 Supercars seem to not fail at it.
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Are you for real?
Kind of. I went to the race this weekend in Bahrain and the sounds are pretty disappointing in terms of pure aural pleasure. But in the stands, it was the first time I was able to discuss the race with my friend while watching it.. and what a race it was! I honestly enjoyed it more because I didn't have to wear earplugs.

But yeah, the safety cars sounded better.
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Kind of. I went to the race this weekend in Bahrain and the sounds are pretty disappointing in terms of pure aural pleasure. But in the stands, it was the first time I was able to discuss the race with my friend while watching it.. and what a race it was! I honestly enjoyed it more because I didn't have to wear earplugs.

But yeah, the safety cars sounded better.
Funny you should say that... you know it's sad when your girlfriend notices an engine sound and says "What's that?" during an F1 race on tv, only for you to have to say "Oh, that was just the Mercedes Safety Car". Yup, as it happened yesterday.
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Why not add a siren like the old Stuka diver bombers? That's some pretty hellacious sound.
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I miss the v10's too.. Aren't the cars running slower lap times now?

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From today's China press conference:

"Q: (Gary Anderson – Autosport) As you were saying Andy, revs, that’s always been the push, everybody wanted to get more revs, more revs, more revs. This year the regulation maximum is 15,000 but on a good day you might see twelve. Do you see that changing, and if it did change do you see that helping the noise?

AC: You’re correct with regard to the revs that we’re running on the track. I don’t see that changing, I don’t see the need for the revs to change to change the noise of the power unit. The principal reason why the engine is quieter is the turbine wheel and the muffling effect that you get from that. That’s one of the key technologies for recycling the waste energy that would normally go down the tailpipe so it’s a key aspect of the technology that we’ve got. There are other things we can do though with the tailpipe, perhaps, to change the noise."


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"Q: (Gary Anderson – Autosport) Could I just add a second part: why is it 12,000 rpm instead of 15,000rpm?

AC: The fundamental reason is the fuel flow rate formula so you get the 100 kilograms per hour once you’re at 10,500 rpm. If you rev an engine faster, you generate more friction and friction is the enemy of an engine and the enemy of a race car because you have to reject it to the radiators and there’s then an aerodynamic deficit from doing that. None of us want to be below 10,500 rpm but none of us want to be at high revs because all you do is create heat.

RW: There’s not much to add. The fuel flow curve, the fuel law is the thing that fixes the engine speed as Andy indicated. We hear a little bit less about the slope below 10,500 than the maximum which is 100 kilos but it is that knee point that fixes the rpm at which the engines make the best power and best efficiency and the engine speed above that is to do with the spread needed to pass the gear ratios.

Q: (Marc Surer – Sky Germany) It’s in a similar direction, my question for the motor engineers: what can you do to increase the noise? There’s a lot of talk about it but I haven’t heard a solution yet.

RW: First thing to say is that the noise of the current engine is a consequence of the overall layout, the architecture and so forth. I think in terms of the possible adjustments to change the noise it makes, I think we’re at the beginning of a consultative process that will kick off in about an hour’s time. Andy’s alluded to tail pipe changes – that’s something that could be a way to go. I think the scope to fundamentally and profoundly alter the noise of the engines is extremely limited by the type of technology that we have deployed and therefore I think we need to be realistic about the scope of any action that we might take but of course we’re sensitive to the subject and we’ll certainly participate in any of the studies that might lead to actions being taken.

PF: I think the engine people in the room know the problem a lot more than I do. I think what Andy said about... you’ve got the turbo there to try and take all the energy that we can out, so it’s always going to be quieter. There’s a round of meetings starting today, in fact, that will discuss and try and work out how to improve the situation."
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I miss the v10's too.. Aren't the cars running slower lap times now?
F1 is becoming a sport of how can make fuel last the longest, rather than who can go the fastest.
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