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      03-11-2014, 08:33 PM   #23
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I'm with you on this one. Definitely not a supercar, just a sportscar. A supercar needs to turn heads. Corvettes don't turn heads, unless they are obnoxiously loud.

And for me it's more than just performance. Even if a Corvette would blow past everything on the road, I'd still get a slower Porsche, Ferrari or whatever else you can think of. We live in America. What's the point of having a fast car? Might as well get something that looks proper.
A Vette Z06 turns my head every time. On the other hand a Porsche (aka ugly overpriced Beetle) never does, unless it's a GT3Rs or GT2. What's the point of having a fast car? Maybe to go to the track and drive the piss out of it? Besides, if you don't go to the track, then what's the point of having an M3 or M5 either?
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No, the zo6 is not a supercar.....nor is a gtr.... or a viper. Just because it performs as well, or better than cars that are widely considered to be supercars (such as some variation of a Lamborghini for example), it does not mean it's a supercar.
So then what makes a car a "supercar" if it isn't performance?

To me, a GTR or Viper or Z06 or 911 Turbo/GT3/GT2 are all supercars but they are not exotic. A bentley, rolls royce, aston, maybach, maserati, etc are all exotics but they're not supercars. A ferrari, lambo, pagani, bugatti, koeniggsegg, etc are both exotic and supercars.
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i love the c6 z06 and the Ls7. i think that is my favorite vette of all time. it looks great, it sounds great , Ls motors can be modded at a good price etc. the list goes on.... if i lived somewhere with better roads and no snow i would get one.

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same here. the only reason why i have an m3 and not a Z06 is because i have room to park only 1 car and we have shitty snowy winters over here.
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The only thing that would really hold me back from buying a zo6 is the practicality. I wouldn't mind it as a daily driver but winters would be tough. The again, buying a beater for the snowy or really cold days in the winter would be an easy solution.
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The only thing that would really hold me back from buying a zo6 is the practicality. I wouldn't mind it as a daily driver but winters would be tough. The again, buying a beater for the snowy or really cold days in the winter would be an easy solution.
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I have a beater VW Golf for the winter so I don't have to drive my 3-series. Of course my 3 is pretty extreme when compared to a stock car.
It's definitely worth it.
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Corvettes are referred to as a "supercars" now? What's next? Mustangs and Camaros?
What? I don't even...
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No, the zo6 is not a supercar.....nor is a gtr.... or a viper. Just because it performs as well, or better than cars that are widely considered to be supercars (such as some variation of a Lamborghini for example), it does not mean it's a supercar.
since everyone's talking semantics...

is a "supercar" the same as an "exotic"?
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since everyone's talking semantics...

is a "supercar" the same as an "exotic"?
Not sure, I think exotic is more of just a description as opposed to its own category. For example, all exotics are supercars but not all supercars are exotic i.e. ZR1
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since everyone's talking semantics...

is a "supercar" the same as an "exotic"?
I would say no. A Lotus is an exotic car but it's not a supercar. The Z06 and GTR are supercars but not exotic.
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Not sure, I think exotic is more of just a description as opposed to its own category. For example, all exotics are supercars but not all supercars are exotic i.e. ZR1
Not all exotics are supercars. Do you think a Rolls Phantom is a supercar?

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I would say no. A Lotus is an exotic car but it's not a supercar. The Z06 and GTR are supercars but not exotic.
A lotus of all cars is an exotic?
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Arguing about subjective words is so cool.
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A lotus of all cars is an exotic?
No, not of all cars, but it's the car I would call exotic that is not also a supercar.
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No, not of all cars, but it's the car I would call exotic that is not also a supercar.
What's so exotic about a Lotus? It's just a cheaply made poor build quality plastic cart with a Toyota Camry engine in it. Nor is its pricetag prohibitively expensive either. Yes it's a bit rare, but that probably has more to do with lack of demand than a desire to keep it exclusive. It's a good track toy, but there is hardly anything "exotic" about it.
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I had an 07 Z06 for 5yrs. Loved every minute of it. Not one issue with it. Stupid fun to drive.
This + still in the garage, maybe it will be changed when the C7 Z06 is available.
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What's so exotic about a Lotus? It's just a cheaply made poor build quality plastic cart with a Toyota Camry engine in it. Nor is its pricetag prohibitively expensive either. Yes it's a bit rare, but that probably has more to do with lack of demand than a desire to keep it exclusive. It's a good track toy, but there is hardly anything "exotic" about it.
Agree to disagree. I'm not going back and forth about it.
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Not all exotics are supercars. Do you think a Rolls Phantom is a supercar?

A lotus of all cars is an exotic?
I agree with your first point. Didn't see it that way. I guess exotic is one category, supercar is another and there is overlap between the two.

I would say a lotus is exotic. Being rare and limited is essentially what qualifies a car as being exotic even though we usually associate exotic with something that has more wings and vents than a jet fighter.
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In Europe a Corvette is also quite a "exotic".
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I would say a lotus is exotic. Being rare and limited is essentially what qualifies a car as being exotic even though we usually associate exotic with something that has more wings and vents than a jet fighter.
A Lincoln Blackwood (remember them?) is also rare and limited. Does that make it an exotic? The way I see it, a car is an exotic if it makes people lust over it yet very few can achieve it. Rolls, bentley, Bugatti, Ferrari, etc. are all exotic. People lust over them. Kids hang posters on their bedroom walls of those cars. People dream of the day they see one, let alone drive it. Limited production, astronomical pricetag, and very high demand makes those cars "exotic". A Lotus may have the limited production numbers, but it lacks either the prohibitive pricing or the massive demand and lust over it that would make it an exotic. It's a niche car, made to target a very small specialized section of the car market, basically the handful of trackrats who want a relatively affordable track weapon out of the box.
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A Lincoln Blackwood (remember them?) is also rare and limited. Does that make it an exotic? The way I see it, a car is an exotic if it makes people lust over it yet very few can achieve it. Rolls, bentley, Bugatti, Ferrari, etc. are all exotic. People lust over them. Kids hang posters on their bedroom walls of those cars. People dream of the day they see one, let alone drive it. Limited production, astronomical pricetag, and very high demand makes those cars "exotic". A Lotus may have the limited production numbers, but it lacks either the prohibitive pricing or the massive demand and lust over it that would make it an exotic. It's a niche car, made to target a very small specialized section of the car market, basically the handful of trackrats who want a relatively affordable track weapon out of the box.
The blackwood never sold because nobody wanted it. It is rare due to low demand. Lotus hand builds their cars (explaining the terrible build quality) which they are rare/limited.

If you're a kid with a poster of a Rolls/Bentley on your wall, you're going to be either a rapper or a lawyer. You're confusing expensive with exotic.

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My new rule of thumb is that you a guaranteed a spot on the exotic list if you have a fucking roof scoop (functional or not). End of story.
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I had a poster of a lotus when I was a kid. They look pretty damn exotic to me haha. Can't beat the roof scoop lol.

Honestly, exotic is a bullsh!t term. Sports car, super car, hyper car. In that order with some overlap of each. A bentley, rolls royce, maybach are all luxury cars. Luxury can go all the way from a 3 series to a maybach but they are all different levels of luxury. Nobody really cares to classify them hence why they all fall under one term.
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Look..there's Con-yeah Cyst and Kim Kuntdashian in their exotic Rolls Royce!
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It's hard to classify cars, especially as the overall selection of production performance cars has multiplied substantially in the past couple of decades. There are subjective measures like aesthetics and brand cache, and then there are objective measures like performance specs, versatility/usability (or lack thereof), costs, dimensions, and construction methods.

Here's my take on some of these terms, many of which are interchangeable or can be used as umbrella labels.

Sports Car: purpose-built; two-door; lightweight construction and agility are a priority; "fun" to drive; visceral; typically FR setup.
(e.g. Elise/Exige, S2000, 370Z, Corvette, majority of 911 variants)

Sports Coupe: two doors, of course; typically based on an existing chassis that shares a sedan variant; performance intentions; accessible driving dynamics; not usually track capable from the showroom floor; heavier relative to sportscars; rarely stripped down and is daily driveable.
(e.g. M3, CTS-V, RS5, etc.)

Super Car: a shared concept with the sports car category, but with increased performance metrics that are typically headline-grabbing and in the top percentile of road going cars; can be based on existing sports car chassis, but more common to have a bespoke chassis with expensive production costs, a wide footprint, and a particularly low roofline; usually (but not restricted to) MR, FMR, M4, RR, and R4 layouts; hard to categorize due to constantly shifting performance bars being set.
(e.g. ZR1, LF-A, 911 GT3/TT, SLS, 458, GTR, Lamborghini range, etc.)

Hyper Car: state of the art tech; completely standout aesthetics; pushes existing powertrain/drivetrain/chassis limits for the given period; absurd price tag.
(e.g. TheTheFerrari, Enzo, 918, CGT, P1, F1, etc.)

Exotic: umbrella term; applied to cars almost always using a mid-engined setup; rarity is a requisite which carries a big price tag to match; performance doesn't have to be record breaking, but supercar levels are typically expected
(e.g. Lambos, Ferraris, high-end Astons, Paganis, etc.)

GT: the goal is versatility; DD qualities and high luxury mixed with impressive levels of performance; usually longer wheelbase; relatively medium in weight; insulated; born for the streets and not for the tracks, although they usually can be track-capable.
(e.g. M6, F-Type, XK, SL AMGs, etc.)

There's a lot of overlap to be had with the multiple labels we have here. You can take a car like the SLS or 991 and check off a few boxes here because their performance and capability envelopes are so vast.
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Stay away from 2006-2008 Z06s mine dropped a rod and blew the motor this is common, mine was underwarrenty and was repaired. I heard from the tech say they had a new 2006 Z06 drop a valve while being moved onto the showroom.
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