KW Variant 3 Coilovers

cupspeed · 11-13-2007, 03:17 AM

Spoke to Sam from Auto Talent today...

KW has finished development of Variant 3 Coilovers for the new M3

We are expected to receive the first batch around the middle of December

UltimateBMW · 11-13-2007, 09:56 AM

Was it mentioned if these coilovers will work with EDC?

Green-Eggs · 11-15-2007, 01:05 AM

What we have seen with the current kits for cars with EDC is that it eliminates it. But we have not received the kits to say for certain.

Sedan_Clan · 11-15-2007, 03:47 PM

Are you the same Sam that used to work at D2Technik?

Green-Eggs · 11-15-2007, 05:52 PM

Yes I am

Not Ur Avg 3 · 12-09-2007, 05:46 AM

ooo for the ultimate trackers

swamp2 · 12-09-2007, 04:11 PM

Cool but also kind of funny and ironic as the first cars likely won't hit dealers or customers until February at the earliest.

JEllis · 12-23-2007, 10:35 PM

Lucky for KW that the M3 already exists in customers hands in other parts of the world.

Jason

kuruptracing · 12-31-2007, 07:04 PM

a manufacturer would be smart to make a coilover kit to work with the cars EDC... I'd purchase it in a heartbeat when I get my car!

Strax · 01-11-2008, 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuruptracing

a manufacturer would be smart to make a coilover kit to work with the cars EDC... I'd purchase it in a heartbeat when I get my car!

This could only be reprogramming of the EDC system...

kuruptracing · 01-17-2008, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strax

This could only be reprogramming of the EDC system...

How so? I know there are a few suspension companies out there already who make kits that allow you to adjust the suspension from inside the car with the touch of a button. Tein is one, with there EDFC. All they would have to do is use their coilover kit and configure it to work with the EDC system.

OC ///M · 02-20-2008, 09:28 PM

ing for Sam to get off his ass and make some phone calls.

!Xoible · 02-20-2008, 10:45 PM

noooooooooooo why did i read this thread? that just cost me 2k

swamp2 · 02-21-2008, 12:13 PM

Guys, I think many of you are not understanding the EDC system. EDC is (E)lectronic (D)amping (C)ontrol which simply means that the shocks are adjustable and are adjusted in real time using input from various accelerometers in the vehicle. The shocks have valves which are internal/integral and electronically controlled. Remove these very specific shocks and EDC is completely gone. Simple. That being said you will be able to change/upgrade the springs with no large effect on the EDC function.

!Xoible · 02-21-2008, 01:38 PM

lol yah forgot about that lol

is height adjustable with the EDC? i mean is it noticeable?

///MML · 02-21-2008, 05:58 PM

I sent a PM to Sam last week for an update. He said he would have them next month but he said that in December.... Who knows? I will go with bilstien or KW, whichever comes to market by May when my car arrives.

You guys who ordered EDC should forget about coliovers. I'm sure EDC is nice but to lower the car new springs is your only option (a poor one at that).

!Xoible · 02-21-2008, 06:12 PM

fine, i'll drive a 4x4 M3

OC ///M · 02-21-2008, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swamp2

Guys, I think many of you are not understanding the EDC system. EDC is (E)lectronic (D)amping (C)ontrol which simply means that the shocks are adjustable and are adjusted in real time using input from various accelerometers in the vehicle. The shocks have valves which are internal/integral and electronically controlled. Remove these very specific shocks and EDC is completely gone. Simple. That being said you will be able to change/upgrade the springs with no large effect on the EDC function.

You're preaching to the choir... re-read the thread again; we are hoping that a manufacturer designs coilovers that have piezoelectric shocks, able to communicate with the accelerometers in the vehicle. (it's a pipedream)

Quote:

mantis: Is height adjustable with the EDC? i mean is it noticeable?

It adjusts dampening, not ride height, like the "ABC" system which I enjoyed in my old '03 MB CL500.

swamp2 · 02-22-2008, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OC kid

You're preaching to the choir... re-read the thread again

Uhhh....no. When folks are asking if COs will work with EDC they are confused. Also when a supplier is not sure about that as well he is fairly clueless.

OC ///M · 02-22-2008, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swamp2

When folks are asking if COs will work with EDC they are confused. Also when a supplier is not sure about that as well he is fairly clueless.

clueless on the current status of R&D for feasibility of A/M c-o's w EDC.... sure.

...not on the definition of EDC, which you provided.

One member asked "...if these coilovers will work with edc..." I wouldn't call him "confused" or "clueless".

edit: added the latest from Bilstein which looks promising...

Quote:

BILSTEIN B16 ridecontrol®

The BILSTEIN B16 ridecontrol® gives the ambitious motorist the opportunity to adapt the vehicle setting to the motoring conditions prevailing during the ride. In fractions of a second, the controller processes the signal and passes the information to the BILSTEIN shock absorbers build in the leading mono-tube/inverted technology.
This is the perfect suspension for a dual purpose car that is used for both everyday driving and aggressive street or track use! This kit features an electronic control unit that senses road characteristics and G-loads and makes shock valving changes in a millisecond! Included is a lighted aluminum cockpit mounted control button, so no need to get out of the car to adjust suspension settings in the comfort oriented "Normal" mode, the suspension discreetly dampens all the bumps in the road. The setting in the "Sports" mode is significantly firmer and gives the driver the chance to drive the car much more dynamically right to the limits, while at the same time enjoying high performance reserves.
Product advantages at a glance:

• BILSTEIN mono-tube/inverted technology
• Setting selected at the instrument panel
• High driving dynamics and perfect comfort
• Developed in road trials
• Harmonious sporty look
• Threaded chassis with registered adjustment range
• German TÜV certificate

!Xoible · 02-22-2008, 11:28 AM

PWNAGE

swamp2 · 02-22-2008, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OC kid

One member asked "...if these coilovers will work with edc..." I wouldn't call him "confused" or "clueless".

Well I guess I will politely beg to differ. Anyone who thinks coilovers, especially the first ones on the market will be EDC (a proprietary BMW/their partner proprietary system) conpatible is a bit clueless. As well any shop/dealer/sales person who does not know is definitely a lot clueless. Sorry, JMHO.

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11-13-2007, 09:56 AM	#2
UltimateBMW Brigadier General Drives: MP4 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: South Posts: 3,117 iTrader: (0)	Was it mentioned if these coilovers will work with EDC?

11-15-2007, 01:05 AM	#3
Green-Eggs Captain Drives: BMW Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 791 iTrader: (3)	What we have seen with the current kits for cars with EDC is that it eliminates it. But we have not received the kits to say for certain.

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12-09-2007, 04:11 PM	#7
swamp2 Major General Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Posts: 7,835 iTrader: (1)	Cool but also kind of funny and ironic as the first cars likely won't hit dealers or customers until February at the earliest.

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02-21-2008, 12:13 PM	#14
swamp2 Major General Drives: E92 M3 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: San Diego, CA USA Posts: 7,835 iTrader: (1)	Guys, I think many of you are not understanding the EDC system. EDC is (E)lectronic (D)amping (C)ontrol which simply means that the shocks are adjustable and are adjusted in real time using input from various accelerometers in the vehicle. The shocks have valves which are internal/integral and electronically controlled. Remove these very specific shocks and EDC is completely gone. Simple. That being said you will be able to change/upgrade the springs with no large effect on the EDC function.

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