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      02-11-2014, 03:23 PM   #23
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Fronts changed at 20,40 and 70K
Rears at 50K

Averaging 6 track days/year in advanced or advanced mediocre groups depending on club.
sounds good thank you
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      02-17-2014, 04:00 PM   #24
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definitely I can agree on cooling caliper. I just made it on dryer hose and tracked at VIR.. made huge different then not having one.. Rotor has lasted me all season last year. 18 track days.

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I had a hard time wearing out my oem rotors even with race pads. They're definitely not the weak link in the system.
The weak link for me was overheated / seized caliper seals. (The pfc01's didn't fade, the motul fluid didn't boil, the braided lines didn't melt, and the rotors didn't explode). Be careful using those oem components on track.
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      02-20-2014, 10:41 AM   #25
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I have been getting 20 - 25 track days out of my OEM ones ( with Pagid yellows). I get about 70% through the thickness spec and then I don't the the level of cracks that appear...

On my 3rd set.
I believe you because I have seen the amazing wear rate on your car

I go through a set of Pagid Yellows per weekend.

Rotors (front) lasts me 4 weekends before they are cracked/fractured across the board.

Rear rotors I change every 8 weekends when I do the 2nd front set. Rear pads are good for 4 weekends.

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I believe you because I have seen the amazing wear rate on your car

I go through a set of Pagid Yellows per weekend.

Rotors (front) lasts me 4 weekends before they are cracked/fractured across the board.

Rear rotors I change every 8 weekends when I do the 2nd front set. Rear pads are good for 4 weekends.

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As we had opposite braking patterns in turns I understand the difference.

I tend to drive my M3 like a miata momentum car, minimal braking, earlier apex, and slide the turns some.

When I followed you, comparatively you did a late apex, with very late ( and hard) braking, followed by a turn and scoot.

My method is far easier on the brakes, probably harder on the tires.
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As we had opposite braking patterns in turns I understand the difference.

I tend to drive my M3 like a miata momentum car, minimal braking, earlier apex, and slide the turns some.

When I followed you, comparatively you did a late apex, with very late ( and hard) braking, followed by a turn and scoot.

My method is far easier on the brakes.
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As we had opposite braking patterns in turns I understand the difference.

I tend to drive my M3 like a miata momentum car, minimal braking, earlier apex, and slide the turns some.

When I followed you, comparatively you did a late apex, with very late ( and hard) braking, followed by a turn and scoot.

My method is far easier on the brakes, probably harder on the tires.
I for 1) am all about learning how to manage the present equipment. Following your advice have now gotten the desired -2 degree camber up front to obtain more grip (earlier apex without sliding off the track).

Am going to follow your advise. Less aggravation too

THANKS mate!

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I for 1) am all about learning how to manage the present equipment. Following your advice have now gotten the desired -2 degree camber up front to obtain more grip (earlier apex without sliding off the track).

Am going to follow your advise. Less aggravation too

THANKS mate!

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I am sure arter knows what he is doing, but be carefull with early apex, especially at WGI
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I am sure arter knows what he is doing, but be carefull with early apex, especially at WGI
You do need to work up to anything in small steps till you feel comfortable with it. And please don't lift at WGI
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You do need to work up to anything in small steps till you feel comfortable with it. And please don't lift at WGI
You are kidding right? I do lift before t 10 and 11, sometimes before t1, but never before the bus stop
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You are kidding right? I do lift before t 10 and 11, sometimes before t1, but never before the bus stop
I meant at or after the apex....... it is okay to slow down before...

I did a nice 360 spin in turn 9 once because I lifted there and I still don't know why I didn't hit the railing ( 18 ft long car spinning in track 30ft between railings....).
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Ok, now i see what you mean. You got lucky there. Yeah, rear tires should be loaded at least to some degree at the apex and after. I would say, the esses are the most dangerous place to lift at WGI, but we are drifting away from the topic of this thread i think. Cant wait to get there after this winter
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