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      12-13-2014, 10:26 PM   #1
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991 Porsche 911 GT3 Video around Figure 8

Very interesting video of Carlos Lago doing a POV drive around their figure 8 with some talk about the lateral limits and how the Z06/7 is better:

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"Good day at work. Good day at work." Lol I work to enjoy these cars and he works by enjoying these cars.

Cool video... Dat redline tho.
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This just goes to show how different reviewers see cars slightly differently. Most who have reviewed the GT3 gush about it. Carlos liked it but had more issue with it than some.

Regardless, one of my favourite cars today
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This just goes to show how different reviewers see cars slightly differently. Most who have reviewed the GT3 gush about it. Carlos liked it but had more issue with it than some.

Regardless, one of my favourite cars today
It's interesting in that he's doing a very specific thing: figure 8s on a super short "track". Seems like the GT3 isn't as well suited to the tight corners as the vette since the tail wants to come out and you bleed speed.

Seems like the M4 has similar tradeoffs: track monster but not as much lateral as the Z06/7 or other cars.
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To be fair, nothing (stock) has the lateral g capabilities of the Z06/Z07.
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This just goes to show how different reviewers see cars slightly differently. Most who have reviewed the GT3 gush about it. Carlos liked it but had more issue with it than some.

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It's interesting in that he's doing a very specific thing: figure 8s on a super short "track". Seems like the GT3 isn't as well suited to the tight corners as the vette since the tail wants to come out and you bleed speed.

Seems like the M4 has similar tradeoffs: track monster but not as much lateral as the Z06/7 or other cars.
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To be fair, nothing (stock) has the lateral g capabilities of the Z06/Z07.
Seems very un-GT3 like based on any other review and the fact that having had some decent seat time in them (have two friends who own one) this isnt what I would describe it to be like in the least bit. Then again, no one knows the condition of the tires either. The GT3 is brilliant on technical tight stuff especially when you consider it does pulls 1.12 g of lateral grip.

The Z06 also has 335 rears as opposed to the GT3's 305's (so quite a bit more contact patch) and he did say the Z06 was harder to work.
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The Z06 also has 335 rears as opposed to the GT3's 305's (so quite a bit more contact patch) and he did say the Z06 was harder to work.
Likely due in most part to WAY more torque which is always a bit more tricky to manage.
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Likely due in most part to WAY more torque which is always a bit more tricky to manage.
That certainly would also be a factor. The Z06 has never been nearly as precise a driver's tool as a GT3 and I'm sure this generation will be no different. Even the Stingray is rather numb and lacks in this department; I don't see the Z06 being any better especially seeing as its only gotten heavier.
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I have not yet driven the 991 GT3, but it looked very loose. I am not sure if Carlos was really was trying there.
No question, the Z06 will be faster on track properly driven, especially if they solve the software timing issue.
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I have not yet driven the 991 GT3, but it looked very loose. I am not sure if Carlos was really was trying there.
No question, the Z06 will be faster on track properly driven, especially if they solve the software timing issue.
I would not describe the GT3 as being loose. While you can slide the car around if you like, the car behaves very well on track and in tight corners. I find you can get on throttle very early and not worry about the back stepping out on you.

I am looking forward to seeing the new ZO6 on track, even if it's only for a second while it blows by me.
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Would it have been more stable on this course with the DSC on?
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I would not describe the GT3 as being loose. While you can slide the car around if you like, the car behaves very well on track and in tight corners. I find you can get on throttle very early and not worry about the back stepping out on you.

I am looking forward to seeing the new ZO6 on track, even if it's only for a second while it blows by me.
That's what I thought, and that's why I am surprised by the video. I think Carlos was just having fun and not really trying.
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That certainly would also be a factor. The Z06 has never been nearly as precise a driver's tool as a GT3 and I'm sure this generation will be no different. Even the Stingray is rather numb and lacks in this department; I don't see the Z06 being any better especially seeing as its only gotten heavier.
We might need to agree to disagree on this one The Stingray is a pretty damn fine driving machine. Very precise, incredibly predictive, easy to extract a lot of performance from.
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We might need to agree to disagree on this one The Stingray is a pretty damn fine driving machine. Very precise, incredibly predictive, easy to extract a lot of performance from.
Just not nearly as precise, predictive or as easy to extract as a 991S, or C4S

Simply not a vette fan...still think its a pretty numb car especially when you take it out of isolation.

I feel bad for the z06, its been taking a flat out beating by the Viper TA...doesnt seem like chevy moved much on from the zr1 which itself wasn't a great car. And if Porsche comes out with a 991 GT2/RS its going to flat out crush the z06 as even the 997 GT2 RS looks like it would be able to beat the current z06 despite being quite old.
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Just not nearly as precise, predictive or as easy to extract as a 991S, or C4S

Simply not a vette fan...still think its a pretty numb car especially when you take it out of isolation.

I feel bad for the z06, its been taking a flat out beating by the Viper TA...doesnt seem like chevy moved much on from the zr1 which itself wasn't a great car. And if Porsche comes out with a 991 GT2/RS its going to flat out crush the z06 as even the 997 GT2 RS looks like it would be able to beat the current z06 despite being quite old.
Again, we can agree to disagree

The C7 is a scalpel compared to the M3/4... and to call it "numb" compared to a 991s is, well, not true and I don't think anyone who has spent time in both cars would say that. They may say they prefer the 991s from a feel perspective but the C7 is FAR from numb in comparison.

Bottom line, however, is it doesn't matter what I think as I know you have a negative bias to the Corvette... which is perfectly OK too.

P.S. Not sure where you are getting a TA "flat out beating" the Z06 (well maybe in a straight line but who cares about that anyway). If a GT2/RS beats the Z06 for twice the money, that's OK in my books... they will be pretty darn close in performance
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Dat understeer and lift off oversteer. Still very much an old school 911 at heart
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Dat understeer and lift off oversteer. Still very much an old school 911 at heart
Its not at all. The 991/S is as neutral a car as there is out there. The GT3 even more so.
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Its not at all. The 991/S is as neutral a car as there is out there. The GT3 even more so.
I'm sure they are, I was a fan of the 991s I test drove. But the vid above clearly shows steady state understeer under throttle and a tendency to oversteer entering too hot in the corner.
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I'm sure they are, I was a fan of the 991s I test drove. But the vid above clearly shows steady state understeer under throttle and a tendency to oversteer entering too hot in the corner.
This video is very much not indicative of the GT3. As I said above, have two friends who have them and have not experienced this in the least bit. No other review either has even remotely mentioned anything of the sort either.
I'm guessing this was a combination of the surface, and likely worn tires. It still was able to post one of the fastest times at 22.8, in which Lago pointed out there is more time.
The Z06 on the other hand he said was not as easy to control as the GT3 and despite having nearly 200 hp more could was not much faster than the GT3 given it has more time in it at 22.5.
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