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      11-01-2007, 08:55 PM   #1
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Post Z06 The New American Skyline?

i was a bit skeptical at first about the z06 and handling comming from the view of it being an american car and only in a straight line. but after reviews such as top gear, 5th gear, and nurburgring testing it shows that its faster then a pagani zonda f. now that is pretty damn fast, faster then a csl around a track, etc.

everytime i see a z06 on the road im thinking that car got so much potential to be a skyline. i mean the handling is there now, i still don't know how they were so sucessful now, and power is def there.

to keep matters short don't you guys think a z06 with a _______ engine tune, moton suspension, bbk, dymag rims , ps2, wing, some body work, exhaust, etc and this thing will be a DOMINATOR? it will still be american but still...the lenginfelter on 93 octanes dynos at 1,200whp http://www.lingenfelter.com/Lingenfe...06ZO6TTBGB.htm

what do you guys think about the new z06. im still pretty amazed that an american car is now surpassing some of the nurburgring kings.yea it will still be an american but damn i have to give props on their new sucess...

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Sounds like great bang for your buck for sure...

But are you planning the Z06 to be track car/weekend car or an everyday driver? Because I have a feeling you may find better refinement elsewhere (despite being slightly slower)...and may enjoy that more...
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There are better cars for less money if all you want is a track car. Doesn't Lingenfelter charge almost as much as the car for the engine upgrades?
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The Vette has been a solid performer for years (..and works many a competitor on the road course), so I don't understand why you harbored the "only straight-line performer" point of view. I'm almost curious to know what kind of Vette knowledge you have.

In any case, I'll go w/ the big L.
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The Vette has been a solid performer for years (..and works many a competitor on the road course), so I don't understand why you harbored the "only straight-line performer" point of view. I'm almost curious to know what kind of Vette knowledge you have.

In any case, I'll go w/ the big L.
i honestly never seen vettes being a solid performer in the previous years. i take it as most people i believe being american with a huge powerful engine with a tranny that will not last you that long and abided by the opinions that vettes could only perform in a straight line. when it came to serious tracks, etc the euro cars would dominate.

the way i see it the z06 changed alot for being an american car.

damn if i had the dough would have this is a track and everday car
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to get things more interesting how do you guys think a tuned z06 would do against the new skyline with future nismo, etc mods. surely that will be a 1000hp+ car too.
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to get things more interesting how do you guys think a tuned z06 would do against the new skyline with future nismo, etc mods. surely that will be a 1000hp+ car too.
Both will likely be slower than an Ultima GTR. More expensive as well, though I don't know exactly what an Ultima costs, and it is a lot less if you build it yourself. (The parts less engine and transmission are $28k iirc)
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i honestly never seen vettes being a solid performer in the previous years. i take it as most people i believe being american with a huge powerful engine with a tranny that will not last you that long and abided by the opinions that vettes could only perform in a straight line. when it came to serious tracks, etc. the euro cars would dominate.

the way i see it the z06 changed alot for being an american car.

damn if i had the dough would have this is a track and everday car
You obviously have little real world track time!

Furthermore, such perspectives are usually disregarded when talking about the Vette (...especially in Z06 form).
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I thought Nissan made the new Skyline all but impossible to tinker with...
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I thought Nissan made the new Skyline all but impossible to tinker with...
If they did then they probably halved sales or at least reduced them quite a bit.
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You obviously have little real world track time!

Furthermore, such perspectives are usually disregarded when talking about the Vette (...especially in Z06 form).
this was the most commonly used term back in the day still to some today. american sports cars perform in straight lines but when it comes to real track, forget it.

have you never heard anyone say this back in the day before the new z06 etc?
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lol how can you call an american legend a skyline, which is a japanese legend? a vette is a vette, a skyline is a skyline....cant just mix these 2 names together, cmon man
but yeah Z06 is a great performer on both straight line and the track, i just wish i can afford one
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If they did then they probably halved sales or at least reduced them quite a bit.
No seriously...I read it on one of the articles posted by a member here...has sumpin' to do with the turbos or whatever. I forget.
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i honestly never seen vettes being a solid performer in the previous years. i take it as most people i believe being american with a huge powerful engine with a tranny that will not last you that long and abided by the opinions that vettes could only perform in a straight line. when it came to serious tracks, etc the euro cars would dominate.

the way i see it the z06 changed alot for being an american car.

damn if i had the dough would have this is a track and everday car
Most people that still believe that Vette's are "only good in a straight line" either don't keep up with what's occuring in the auto world or just refuse to believe an american car could beat their beloved european cars. Corvette's have been good to great track performers since the release of the C5 back in 1997. Don't believe all the crap and "for show" stuff you see on Top Gear and other UK shows, the C6 Corvette rides better on the highway then my 330i does and the ride in the Z06 is about the same as the ride was in my E46 M3.

Hell, a Corvette has won the GT1 class at the 24 hours of Lemans 5 of the last 7 years I believe and during C&D's testing at VIR this year the only cars that beat a C6 Z51 Vette(which you can get for under 50K) where the Z06, Ford GT, Viper and GT3. It beat a 911 Turbo, Lotus Exige, R8, and M6 among others. The Z06 beat everything else tested and was the only car to crack the 3 minute mark.

1 - Chevrolet Corvette Z06 - 2:58.2
2 - Ford GT: 3:00.7
3 - Dodge Viper: 3:01.6
4 - Porsche 911 GT3 -3:01.8
5 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 - 3:03.6
6 - Lotus Exige S - 3:04.5
7 - Audi R8 - 3:04.6
8 - Porsche 911 Turbo - 3:05.8
9 - Shelby GT500- 3:05.9
10 - Lotus Elise: 3:09.2
11 - Porsche Cayman S: 3:09.5
12 - BMW M6: 3:10.0
13 - BMW 335i - 3:10.5
14 - Audi RS4- 3:11.2
15 - BMW Z4M - 3:11.7
16 - Nissan 350Z: 3:12.5
17 - Mitsubishi Evo MR: 3:13.5
18 - Pontiac Solstice GXP - 3:15.7
19 - Mazda Speed 3 - 3:16.0
20 - Dodge Charger SRT8: 3:18.2
21 - Mazda RX-8: 3:19.0
22 - Chevy Cobalt SS: 3:20.6
23 - Ford Mustang GT: 3:20.9
24 - Mini Cooper S - 3:22.9
25/26 - VW GTI and Honda Civic Si: 3:24.6
27 - Mazda MX-5: 3:29.3

Anyone can say what they want about the interior (which is a dead argument as well with the new interior upgrades available for the 2008's), but there are very few cars that cost under 80K and destroy the level of cars the C6 and Z06 do in a straight line or a track right off the showroom floor. Not to mention the fact that I get 29-30 mpg while cruising 75 on the highway and can do 500+ miles of highway driving on a tank of gas. Now that's bang for the buck.

In a way I feel sorry for people who let a bunch of old prejudices that aren't even valid anymore keep them from going and driving one of the most fun cars around. You normally have to spend alot more then 45K to get the same grin you get when you throw the C6 into 3rd at 85 on the highway, floor it and let that V8 scream then quickly slow down and take the curved 30 mph exit ramp at 65-70...

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Most people that still believe that Vette's are "only good in a straight line" either don't keep up with what's occuring in the auto world or just refuse to believe an american car could beat their beloved european cars. Corvette's have been good to great track performers since the release of the C5 back in 1997. Don't believe all the crap and "for show" stuff you see on Top Gear and other UK shows, the C6 Corvette rides better on the highway then my 330i does and the ride in the Z06 is about the same as the ride was in my E46 M3.

Hell, a Corvette has won the GT1 class at the 24 hours of Lemans 5 of the last 7 years I believe and during C&D's testing at VIR this year the only cars that beat a C6 Z51 Vette(which you can get for under 50K) where the Z06, Ford GT, Viper and GT3. It beat a 911 Turbo, Lotus Exige, R8, and M6 among others. The Z06 beat everything else tested and was the only car to crack the 3 minute mark.

1 - Chevrolet Corvette Z06 - 2:58.2
2 - Ford GT: 3:00.7
3 - Dodge Viper: 3:01.6
4 - Porsche 911 GT3 -3:01.8
5 - Chevrolet Corvette C6 - 3:03.6
6 - Lotus Exige S - 3:04.5
7 - Audi R8 - 3:04.6
8 - Porsche 911 Turbo - 3:05.8
9 - Shelby GT500- 3:05.9
10 - Lotus Elise: 3:09.2
11 - Porsche Cayman S: 3:09.5
12 - BMW M6: 3:10.0
13 - BMW 335i - 3:10.5
14 - Audi RS4- 3:11.2
15 - BMW Z4M - 3:11.7
16 - Nissan 350Z: 3:12.5
17 - Mitsubishi Evo MR: 3:13.5
18 - Pontiac Solstice GXP - 3:15.7
19 - Mazda Speed 3 - 3:16.0
20 - Dodge Charger SRT8: 3:18.2
21 - Mazda RX-8: 3:19.0
22 - Chevy Cobalt SS: 3:20.6
23 - Ford Mustang GT: 3:20.9
24 - Mini Cooper S - 3:22.9
25/26 - VW GTI and Honda Civic Si: 3:24.6
27 - Mazda MX-5: 3:29.3

Anyone can say what they want about the interior (which is a dead argument as well with the new interior upgrades available for the 2008's), but there are very few cars that cost under 80K and destroy the level of cars the C6 and Z06 do in a straight line or a track right off the showroom floor. Not to mention the fact that I get 29-30 mpg while cruising 75 on the highway and can do 500+ miles of highway driving on a tank of gas. Now that's bang for the buck.

In a way I feel free sorry for people who let a bunch of old prejudices that aren't even valid anymore keep them from going and driving one of the most fun cars around. You normally have to spend alot more then 45K to get the same grin you get when you throw the C6 into 3rd at 85 on the highway, floor it and let that V8 scream then quickly slow down and take the curved 30 mph exit ramp at 65-70...

Ahah actually in a recent issue of C&D the new Viper with 600hp broke the new record that the Z06 created by like 1.5-2 secs I think it was in an issue not more than three months ago - they only give it a slight mention but the editors did say it was the new track record holder.
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Ahah actually in a recent issue of C&D the new Viper with 600hp broke the new record that the Z06 created by like 1.5-2 secs I think it was in an issue not more than three months ago - they only give it a slight mention but the editors did say it was the new track record holder.
100 more HP then the Z06 and they could only beat it by a sec or two?? Not the best result I think Dodge was looking for. Vipers are good track cars but they are basically useless as a DD, at least a Z06 is a "manageable" DD. I'm sure that will be the new record until the ZR1 Vette comes out and up's that. Someone will always be raising the bar for others.
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As a past Vette owner and enthusiast, I too am amazed by the rubbish I read on here and other places like Autospies.

I'm absolutely convinced that most people hear 'leafsprings' and think of a live axle set up like my old Dodge truck.

The other big complaint I hear is that the engine is 'prehistoric' since it is OHV. Too funny!
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The base c6, and z06 is a friggen great car. one of the best performing street cars on the market today for the $, if not the best. period. who cares if it's "just a corvette", the car is badass.
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have you never heard anyone say this back in the day before the new z06 etc?
Yes! Like somebody mentioned above, since the inception of the C5, the Vette has made a name for itself at tracks, in comparos, etc. Maybe, jussssssssssttttttttttt maybe if you spent some time at an actual track(s), you'd be more informed.
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Even the C4 made a name for itself as a fast track car.

I remember in the mid-to-late 80's when the Corvettes and Porsche 944 Turbos were in the same SCCA Showroom Stock class. The 'Vette so dominated (and ticked off Porsche NA) it got bumped to a class in and of itself...

In other words, some of these biases started pre-C4 and have somehow managed to hang on for 20+ years despite all the evidence to the contrary.
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