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      10-30-2007, 07:23 AM   #23
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A 335i with just Version 2 of Procede piggyback dynos at 360 WHP on 93 octane gas (which equates to about 410 HP at the crank) and about 400 WTq (450 lbs at the crank). This costs $1500 shipped and 90% of folks can install it themselves in a couple of hours.

The M3 is certainly the more complete performance package, but at its $40-50K price point the MODDED 335i is for sure the all-around performance coupe/4-door champ.
Fixed. But still not correct. The 335i is not the best all-around performer.
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      10-30-2007, 07:30 AM   #24
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Fixed. But still not correct. The 335i is not the best all-around performer.


Sorry man, your arugments have at this time been disproven not only in theory, but now in real results.

335i = M3 around F1 track in real instrumented testing.
335i = or faster than M3 in straight line.
335i $25K+ cheaper "apples for apples"

About the only argument left is stock-for-stock N'ring times, which since we don't know the official M3 time and we don't have a 335i time (with "chip") that remains theoretical.
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Sorry man, your arugments have at this time been disproven not only in theory, but now in real results.

335i = M3 around F1 track
335i faster than M3 in straight line.
335i $25K+ cheaper "apples for apples"
What is this apples to apples bit? You need to say a modded 335i is faster in a straight line.

$25k cheaper? So you are stating a base M3 will be $65k. Very incorrect.

But go ahead with your concocted ideas and pass them as fact. It only further lowers your credibility.
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About the only argument left is stock-for-stock N'ring times, which since we don't know the official M3 time and we don't have a 335i time (with "chip") that remains theoretical.
Let me respond to your added comment here.

You say "stock-for-stock" then go on to add a "chipped" 335i time is needed to compare.
You can't even keep it straight.

Exactly what point are you trying to make?
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^^

Abort, Abort. Thread failure. We have meltdown.
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Abort, Abort. Thread failure. We have meltdown.
Agreed.
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$25k cheaper? So you are stating a base M3 will be $65k. Very incorrect.
I hope you are right.

I wonder when we'll have info on US pricing.
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Let me respond to your added comment here.

You say "stock-for-stock" then go on to add a "chipped" 335i time is needed to compare.
You can't even keep it straight.

Exactly what point are you trying to make?
Whatever. I'm not going to argue further, M3 fan's will buy the M3 and if they are happy great, anyone interested in the truth of the performance will seek it out.

I though the chipped was assumed, apple-for-apples meant similarly equipped actual OTD prices stock, thus it was only on the price line. Anyway, when one gets down to arguing grammar and semantics in a thread, yes we have thread meltdown.

The point I was making was agreeing with your edit of e36jakeo's post:

"but at its $40-50K price point the MODDED 335i is for sure the all-around performance coupe/4-door champ."
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      10-30-2007, 09:25 AM   #31
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But go ahead with your concocted ideas and pass them as fact. It only further lowers your credibility.
LOL

More wasted bandwidth on ad hominem attacks.
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      10-30-2007, 04:08 PM   #32
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LOL

More wasted bandwidth on ad hominem attacks.
Wow you must be hyper-sensitive if you call that an ad hominem attack. He said nothing about YOU, simply something about your ideas and your credibility.
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      10-30-2007, 04:11 PM   #33
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You don't need a Dr. to tell you this discussion is moribund...

Modded car beat some non-modded cars in a short, straight race...

Yawn...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Wow, thread re-opening. That must be a m3post first...

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Wow, thread re-opening. That must be a m3post first...

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Double agreed.
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That is me

I made a fairly snide new post and comments in others about closing posts. This one was re-opened. Let's do keep it as civil as possible so we don't keep getting such "big brother" effects. Shoot, that may get this one closed again.
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      10-30-2007, 06:05 PM   #38
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I am so surprised that being new to this site but it's the very first one which has in-house fighting among fellow BWM owners, in this case M3 vs 335i.

It's a change for the norm on other sites which is arguments on either BMW vs Audi or BMW vs Mercedes.

Who really cares if a modded 335i is quicker than an M3, all this gets you is bragging rights down at the local pub, it's childish guys. As someone already stated a modded car is always quicker than stock but some people like myself don't want or wouldn't have a modified car for one reason or another and I am happy with my slower but most stylish M3.
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I am so surprised that being new to this site but it's the very first one which has in-house fighting among fellow BWM owners, in this case M3 vs 335i.

It's a change for the norm on other sites which is arguments on either BMW vs Audi or BMW vs Mercedes.

Who really cares if a modded 335i is quicker than an M3, all this gets you is bragging rights down at the local pub, it's childish guys. As someone already stated a modded car is always quicker than stock but some people like myself don't want or wouldn't have a modified car for one reason or another and I am happy with my slower but most stylish M3.
Obviously you havent been on many BMW sites. There comes a point when certain topics get overdone. And this is a great example of one of them.
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Obviously you havent been on many BMW sites. There comes a point when certain topics get overdone. And this is a great example of one of them.
I agree. I mean who the hell really cares ... ? I've got an '08 335Xi, simply because I need a vehicle that can also be a high-performance snowmobile that I can stuff the odd client into the back of. I really want the new M3 .... maybe next year (IF the price BMW Canada rapes us for ever starts to come down).
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Fixed. But still not correct. The 335i is not the best all-around performer.
What $40K - 50K coupe/sedan (as in has a usable backseat) is a better all-around performer than a 335i with a piggyback computer?

I love the M3. I will prefer the M3 over the 335i since it is developed more on the track with a truly race-inspired engine and chassis (plus better cooling, I hope). But don't take anything away from the 335i just because I mention them both in the same sentence.
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A 335i with just Version 2 of Procede piggyback dynos at 360 WHP on 93 octane gas (which equates to about 410 HP at the crank) and about 400 WTq (450 lbs at the crank). This costs $1500 shipped and 90% of folks can install it themselves in a couple of hours.

The M3 is certainly the more complete performance package, but at its $40-50K price point the 335i is for sure the all-around performance coupe/4-door champ.
Nah man. The 135i at a lower price point will be a even better all around performance package.
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I am so surprised that being new to this site but it's the very first one which has in-house fighting among fellow BWM owners, in this case M3 vs 335i.

It's a change for the norm on other sites which is arguments on either BMW vs Audi or BMW vs Mercedes.

Who really cares if a modded 335i is quicker than an M3, all this gets you is bragging rights down at the local pub, it's childish guys. As someone already stated a modded car is always quicker than stock but some people like myself don't want or wouldn't have a modified car for one reason or another and I am happy with my slower but most stylish M3.
The best part is the same 335i owners who proud themselves having a better car than the new M3 vehemently diss the 135i. Even though it embodies the same attributes that they claim makes the 335i better car than m3, affordability and modibility. Twisted, isn't it.
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This might put the cat among the pigeons but I bought the S5 because at the time I felt and still do feel that it is a better all-round performer than the 335i, it's more individual than the 335i which looks like dare I say all other 3 series coupes and it's engine note is better (v8 is hard to beat) and is more rare to boot. I know it cost more but at the time it was much cheaper than the M3 and suited my requirements.
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