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      11-15-2013, 03:01 PM   #23
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Ive never driven Boxter - I'm sure it drives awesome, but I personally won't be able to sleep knowing that 911 exists.
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      11-15-2013, 07:59 PM   #24
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Ive never driven Boxter - I'm sure it drives awesome, but I personally won't be able to sleep knowing that 911 exists.
Then you wouldn't be happy with a regular 911...unless you had a turbo...gt3....gt2....gt3 rs....and finally the gt3 rs 4.0

I would be perfectly content with a boxster for a fun weekender. In fact my miata is my go to car to relieve stress over my gt3
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So I know that Porsches often pop up in comparisons to the M3 here, but the Boxster perhaps a little more so vs the Cayman and 911.

So here is my question and issue: I currently have a 12' GTI manual daily driver, which is staying. I want a 2nd, fun performance car. Space is not important, I am looking more for an exciting car to drive. For the M3 - convertible is not a necessity, If I find the right sedan or coupe I am just as happy.

I am in between an M3 with DCT, about 2009 - and at a similar price, a 2009 Boxster S with PDK.

I know the Boxster is the sports car here, but I have always been very excited by the M3 - great engine. I did drive a Boxster recently and was surprised at how fast it actually was, in fact seemed very close to the M3.

Any ideas here? Is the Boxster a no-brainer? I'm not myself yet, since the M3 is still very alluring with that engine.
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If you spend a lot of time doing city driving I would get the Boxster but if you spend more time on the highways I would get the M3.
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      11-16-2013, 12:58 PM   #27
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So I know that Porsches often pop up in comparisons to the M3 here, but the Boxster perhaps a little more so vs the Cayman and 911.

So here is my question and issue: I currently have a 12' GTI manual daily driver, which is staying. I want a 2nd, fun performance car. Space is not important, I am looking more for an exciting car to drive. For the M3 - convertible is not a necessity, If I find the right sedan or coupe I am just as happy.

I am in between an M3 with DCT, about 2009 - and at a similar price, a 2009 Boxster S with PDK.

I know the Boxster is the sports car here, but I have always been very excited by the M3 - great engine. I did drive a Boxster recently and was surprised at how fast it actually was, in fact seemed very close to the M3.

Any ideas here? Is the Boxster a no-brainer? I'm not myself yet, since the M3 is still very alluring with that engine.
1) Buy M3

2) Sell GTI

3) use M3 as daily driver (its even larger and more practical than the GTI where as the Boxer is completely impractical)

4) mod M3 with proceeds from sale of GTI

5) enjoy pretty much the best car on earth as stated in the link below.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...4&postcount=40
Actually, probably the best advice.....
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      11-17-2013, 05:08 PM   #28
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I wanted to dd an M3, but two big issues for me:

1.) poor mpg, and when driving 3000 miles in a month it adds up
2.) a bit too flashy- I do estimates for clients and the gti is much more low key.


So, dd gti and fun car boxster or m3. Leaning towards porsche.
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1) Buy M3

2) Sell GTI

3) use M3 as daily driver (its even larger and more practical than the GTI where as the Boxer is completely impractical)

4) mod M3 with proceeds from sale of GTI

5) enjoy pretty much the best car on earth as stated in the link below.

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Actually, probably the best advice.....
This.
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Why do people seem to prefer the cayman s vs boxster s?

I've driven both, and roof aside they feel identical. I guess the cayman is better for the track with its roof and looks more like a 911, but that's all I can think of.
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Why do people seem to prefer the cayman s vs boxster s?

I've driven both, and roof aside they feel identical. I guess the cayman is better for the track with its roof and looks more like a 911, but that's all I can think of.
Most car enthusiasts prefer the coupe version bc it's assumed they are both lighter and quicker. In the case of the Boxster and z4(e85) the convertible is actually lighter, bc the design was originally a convertible design.


I'll have to empathize with you about driving a low profile car for work....I drive a volt.....
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Hands-down M3 unless you want a little convertible.

Boxster/cayman is, in my not-so-humble opinion, a girl's/entry-level/poor man's porsche (even though they are pretty expensive).

Also pricewise by the time you end up in a cayman S with a couple options it's just a ton of money. And if you get one that's older and cheaper they're plagued with several common known issues.

Finally the boxster/cayman was one of the only cars that I've heard people say has a list of "required" modifications before you can take the car to a track. Sounded completely bogus and silly, but I read this many times on a couple forums and heard from one friend personally. Kept thinking these were just over anal enthusiasts but it seems to be a common issue. Not a deal-breaker for me but just one of the things that turned me off.

Obviously I'm biased though...
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Hey guys- after much searching, I think I'm going to end up with a 09 Boxster S with pdk.

I love the m3, but we already have a bmw x3 35i in the family, so I think the boxster will be the better choice for me.

It's hard to choose, but the Boxster feels slightly more special for me - even though the m3 engine and dct are also stunning.

Hard choice indeed!
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Hey guys- after much searching, I think I'm going to end up with a 09 Boxster S with pdk.

I love the m3, but we already have a bmw x3 35i in the family, so I think the boxster will be the better choice for me.

It's hard to choose, but the Boxster feels slightly more special for me - even though the m3 engine and dct are also stunning.

Hard choice indeed!
Good for you!!

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      12-07-2013, 11:37 PM   #36
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Great choice, make sure it has the sport chrono option. Oh, and according to the post by Craigy, I hope your a girl!
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      12-08-2013, 12:43 PM   #37
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Hands-down M3 unless you want a little convertible.

Boxster/cayman is, in my not-so-humble opinion, a girl's/entry-level/poor man's porsche (even though they are pretty expensive).

Also pricewise by the time you end up in a cayman S with a couple options it's just a ton of money. And if you get one that's older and cheaper they're plagued with several common known issues.

Finally the boxster/cayman was one of the only cars that I've heard people say has a list of "required" modifications before you can take the car to a track. Sounded completely bogus and silly, but I read this many times on a couple forums and heard from one friend personally. Kept thinking these were just over anal enthusiasts but it seems to be a common issue. Not a deal-breaker for me but just one of the things that turned me off.

Obviously I'm biased though...
Or boxster if you want easily the best handling car at any price and one that handles better than any bmw made without question.

Boxsters and caymans don't need anything to be tracked. Of all car manuf Porsches are THE most track ready from the factory and are tested far harder than any owner will do to them, same can't be said for many cars

You're confusing the boxster for the m3 since it needs to be modded to be track ready especially in the braking area where porsche dont have ANY issue. I've owned both btw and would never said the m3 is anywhere close to as track ready as any porsche sports car.

And the new boxster/cayman have a road presence the m3 doesn't as they have an exotic look and are far better drivers cars than anything M.
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Hey guys- after much searching, I think I'm going to end up with a 09 Boxster S with pdk.

I love the m3, but we already have a bmw x3 35i in the family, so I think the boxster will be the better choice for me.

It's hard to choose, but the Boxster feels slightly more special for me - even though the m3 engine and dct are also stunning.

Hard choice indeed!
You'll be much better off and happier in the long run.
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Or boxster if you want easily the best handling car at any price and one that handles better than any bmw made without question.

Boxsters and caymans don't need anything to be tracked. Of all car manuf Porsches are THE most track ready from the factory and are tested far harder than any owner will do to them, same can't be said for many cars

You're confusing the boxster for the m3 since it needs to be modded to be track ready especially in the braking area where porsche dont have ANY issue. I've owned both btw and would never said the m3 is anywhere close to as track ready as any porsche sports car.

And the new boxster/cayman have a road presence the m3 doesn't as they have an exotic look and are far better drivers cars than anything M.
Do you happen to be getting paid by Porsche to continually post this propaganda marketing crap? Do you have stocks in Porsche or something? Porsches are far from exotic. Except for the 918 Spyder, the rest are mass produced on an assembly line and are a dime a dozen on the street. As for track readiness, tell that to the 987.1 boxster/cayman owners who had their powersteering system melt or their engine burn oil and starve itself to failure.
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Do you happen to be getting paid by Porsche to continually post this propaganda marketing crap? Do you have stocks in Porsche or something? Porsches are far from exotic. Except for the 918 Spyder, the rest are mass produced on an assembly line and are a dime a dozen on the street. As for track readiness, tell that to the 987.1 boxster/cayman owners who had their powersteering system melt or their engine burn oil and starve itself to failure.
I did own a 987.1 and never had any issues. And those are very rare and not nearly as bad a blown engines from crap rod bearings that plague m3s. Or how about throttle valve issues on the e9x m3s, or shit sub frames on the e46 m3 or brakes that can't withstand more than a simple session at the track. That not even me me mentioning smg and oil problems for the e6x m5/6 too.
Fact is most cars have issues but Porsches are far more track ready and far more reliable and built better than anything else. I know plenty of actual people who really race boxsters at dozens of events each year and don't see those issues.
And never said Porsches were exotics except for a handful of models but said the new boxster and cayman have a more exotic look than an m3 which isn't exotic nor is anything bmw makes or has made exotic by any means.
Unlike you I've owned and have a lot of experience with both cars. My z4m too had plenty of issues including terrible engine mounts that were a common issue. I have a friend with a new f10 m5 who's car took 6-8 months to sort out steering and suspension problems.

And if Porsches are a dime a dozen what does that make m3s and other BMWS? LOL.

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Aren't Boxsters mostly bought by Ladies of a certain age?
If its a W/E car and you fancy a Porsche...at least get a 911.
Obviously the M3 is the better all rounder but I guess thats not what you are looking for.
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I did own a 987.1 and never had any issues. And those are very rare and not nearly as bad a blown engines from crap rod bearings that plague m3s. Or how about throttle valve issues on the e9x m3s, or shit sub frames on the e46 m3 or brakes that can't withstand more than a simple session at the track. That not even me me mentioning smg and oil problems for the e6x m5/6 too.
Fact is most cars have issues but Porsches are far more track ready and far more reliable and built better than anything else. I know plenty of actual people who really race boxsters at dozens of events each year and don't see those issues.
And never said Porsches were exotics except for a handful of models but said the new boxster and cayman have a more exotic look than an m3 which isn't exotic nor is anything bmw makes or has made exotic by any means.
Unlike you I've owned and have a lot of experience with both cars. My z4m too had plenty of issues including terrible engine mounts that were a common issue. I have a friend with a new f10 m5 who's car took 6-8 months to sort out steering and suspension problems.

And if Porsches are a dime a dozen what does that make m3s and other BMWS? LOL.
Fwiw I had a 996 C2 that failed at a track day due to oil starvation. I would never buy a 986, 996, 987.1 or 997.1 for track use (even occasional use) unless it were a GT3 or a Turbo with a Mezger motor. It is well known that the early water cooled Porsche motors have oiling issues and IMS issues. I agree that all cars have their weaknesses (M3 included) but I think most people are under the impression that any porsche is track ready based on the brand's pedigree and race history. This of course is not the case. I nearly left the Porsche brand but ended up with a 987.2 Cayman for my wife and have been happy thus far.
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As a driver's car, the Boxster S in on another level...drive them both and youll see why. The M3 will feel like an 18 wheeler in comparison to the go kart feel and precision of the Boxster S. Its really THAT much better. And then some.
I think the boxster/cayman platform is great but I find the M3 far more enjoyable to drive. I'm not sure sure how you arrived at this conclusion but it seems over the top and unfounded to me... And I own both cars.
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The Boxster S is the sports car, but you if take into account future value, I think that the M3 has a better chance of being a future classic and therefore retaining its value (or even increasing in value). In that regard, I would go with the M3
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