BMW M3 Forum (E90 E92)

BMW Garage BMW Meets Register Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   M3Post - BMW M3 Forum > BIMMERPOST Universal Forums > Professional Motorsport Racing Discussion (ALMS, DTM, Formula 1, Grand-AM, Le Mans, IRL, WRC, etc..)
 
Post Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      11-29-2013, 06:10 PM   #1
M_Six
Free Thinker
 
M_Six's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 MB C300 4matic
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Foothills of Mt Level

Posts: 4,807
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Maldonado to Lotus

Money talks, I guess. Nico's the better driver by far, but with Lotus's money woes, I guess they had to sell the seat to the highest bidder.
__________________
Mark
Randomography
Flickr

"The $0.99 menu was put on this Earth for a good damn reason." -Weebl
M_Six is online now   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-29-2013, 06:20 PM   #2
Kyle B
This one goes to 11.
 
Drives: E30, E60
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Tampa Bay, FL

Posts: 473
iTrader: (0)

NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bad new for Lotus IMO. I fully expect RoGro to have twice as many points, and a fourth of the attitude by round 5.

I had high hopes for Lotus next year. Hulk would score big, and often in that car.

Lotus better stock up on new noses; they're going to need them.
Kyle B is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-29-2013, 06:38 PM   #3
Handozizle
Private First Class
 
Drives: 2013 335i
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Texas

Posts: 105
iTrader: (0)

Honestly, it's a good gamble by Lotus given their situation. They get the money and who knows, maybe Pastor will improve like Grosjean did in 2013.

I wonder why they didn't snag Perez. He has all the Mexican sponsors and is a pretty good driver.
Handozizle is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-29-2013, 09:22 PM   #4
Math
First Lieutenant
 
Math's Avatar
 
Drives: BMW F21 116D
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: B

Posts: 323
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
But would Perez bring as much money as Maldonado will do?? Probably not and why they chose MAL..
I find it a bit sad too, HULK would be so much better in a good team and I really like him!
Plus, I really don't like MAL, he seems arrogant and hasn't shown much this season.. Its also saying something that he was on such bad terms with a lot of people at Williams.. It just adds to my thoughts that he's not a nice person to be working with.

But yeah, money is important, especially when Lotus could't grab that 3rd place in the constructors championship by the end of the season.
__________________

2012 - BMW F21 116D ED

Please check my amazing car rental website at http://www.bscc.eu!
Math is offline   Belgium
0
Reply With Quote
      11-29-2013, 09:52 PM   #5
M_Six
Free Thinker
 
M_Six's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 MB C300 4matic
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Foothills of Mt Level

Posts: 4,807
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Math View Post

But yeah, money is important, especially when Lotus couldn't grab that 3rd place in the constructors championship by the end of the season.
I bet that was the deciding factor. Hulk or Perez are clearly better drivers.
__________________
Mark
Randomography
Flickr

"The $0.99 menu was put on this Earth for a good damn reason." -Weebl
M_Six is online now   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-29-2013, 09:57 PM   #6
Math
First Lieutenant
 
Math's Avatar
 
Drives: BMW F21 116D
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: B

Posts: 323
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by M_Six View Post
I bet that was the deciding factor. Hulk or Perez are clearly better drivers.
Yes, I think so too. Also why they waited till after the last race to make any decision.
A shame GROS fell out in Interlagos and Heikki didn't score any points in the 2 last races. But thats how it is and we will see how it goes for them next year. I really expect a lot from GROS actually, he's shown so much progress this season over last! He seems ready to lead the team to me
__________________

2012 - BMW F21 116D ED

Please check my amazing car rental website at http://www.bscc.eu!
Math is offline   Belgium
0
Reply With Quote
      11-30-2013, 02:03 AM   #7
StickMon
My other car is on Mars
 
StickMon's Avatar
 
Drives: 2006 MR
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Lo-Cal

Posts: 1,250
iTrader: (0)

We all knew this would happen.
Lotus needs money, badly. Maldonado has money, badly.
(Don't get me started about Venezuelan politics.)
Let's see how he does.
__________________
Warning: May contain traces of nuts.
StickMon is offline   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      11-30-2013, 04:15 AM   #8
Elsabor67
aiming for 450.....
 
Elsabor67's Avatar
 
Drives: La Jeva ;-)
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Stuttgart, Ge :-)

Posts: 2,535
iTrader: (24)

Garage List
2009 135i  [5.00]
Disappointing to see how talent can be overruled by money. Would be nice to see both Hulkenberg and Perez in the same team next year beating on the competition in a good car.
__________________

Quote from Ezeedee regarding car mods:
"you're only done when you sell the car "
Elsabor67 is offline   Germany
0
Reply With Quote
      11-30-2013, 06:46 AM   #9
SenorFunkyPants
Colonel
 
SenorFunkyPants's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 DCT M3
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: UK

Posts: 2,251
iTrader: (0)

I believe that the deal that Lotus had with Quantum motorsport might be going down the tubes...and that Perez and Nico had until Brazil to commit to Force India.
That left Lotus with a tough choice at Brazil - sign a driver they wanted and hope the QM deal went through or take the safe option and sign PM. I guess already having the hot shoe Roman they made the pragmatic decision.
I think that leaves Sutil to Sauber and DiResta most likely out on his ear (which is a shame).
__________________
SenorFunkyPants is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      11-30-2013, 10:25 AM   #10
Math
First Lieutenant
 
Math's Avatar
 
Drives: BMW F21 116D
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: B

Posts: 323
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants View Post
I believe that the deal that Lotus had with Quantum motorsport might be going down the tubes...and that Perez and Nico had until Brazil to commit to Force India.
That left Lotus with a tough choice at Brazil - sign a driver they wanted and hope the QM deal went through or take the safe option and sign PM. I guess already having the hot shoe Roman they made the pragmatic decision.
I think that leaves Sutil to Sauber and DiResta most likely out on his ear (which is a shame).
Why do you think Force india would replace both drivers? Has this been confirmed? I thought nothing was decided yet about Perez, Hulk, Diresta ot Sutil? Or am i mistaken?
__________________

2012 - BMW F21 116D ED

Please check my amazing car rental website at http://www.bscc.eu!
Math is offline   Belgium
0
Reply With Quote
      11-30-2013, 11:01 AM   #11
SenorFunkyPants
Colonel
 
SenorFunkyPants's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 DCT M3
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: UK

Posts: 2,251
iTrader: (0)

Word is that NH has signed a 2 year deal with FI (after a bit of a falling out with Sauber)...Force India will use some of Perez sponsorship money to help pay Nicos wages!
Sutil is apparently taking his sponsor cash to Sauber.
Thats all I've got.
__________________
SenorFunkyPants is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      11-30-2013, 03:33 PM   #12
Kyle B
This one goes to 11.
 
Drives: E30, E60
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Tampa Bay, FL

Posts: 473
iTrader: (0)

With PM leaving Williams, I fear for that team. Anyone else notice the look on Frank Williams face before the last race? He looks like a totally defeated man. I feel sorry for him. Not only did he recently lose his wife, but the once proud Williams team is in shambles with nothing promising on the horizon as far as I can tell. It's too bad BMW couldn't stick with them after 2005.

I'll root for Hulk at FI if that's where he ends up. I really like him as a driver and hope that one day he gets a ride at a top team.
Kyle B is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-30-2013, 07:30 PM   #13
solstice
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Drives: 2011 E90 M3
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Seattle

Posts: 1,817
iTrader: (0)

The engine specifications and output has been frozen since 2007. I think this has helped smaller teams to get sufficient time to work on their chassis to fit engines made by others. Lotus is such a team and so is Williams. RBR is also sourcing it's engine but I have a feeling that they have special treatment and work with Renault as close as possible without being one company and will suffer less from the huge engine changes for next year. I doubt Lotus will be nearly as strong though and that Ferrari and Benz with in house engines developed hand in hand with the chassis will be relatively much stronger than they've been the last couple of years. I would personally not bet on McLaren in it's last year with Benz engines.

I.e Hulk might do just as well in FI as he would have in Lotus. Williams have a really fast driver in BOT and had a very good engine from Renault and still managed pretty much nothing. It's sad and I hope all changes can somehow benefit them next season. It would be very sad for Frank W. to see them totally implode and disappear at this stage of his life.

Last edited by solstice; 11-30-2013 at 07:43 PM.
solstice is online now  
0
Reply With Quote
      11-30-2013, 10:34 PM   #14
954Stealth
Lieutenant Colonel
 
954Stealth's Avatar
 
Drives: Market Share
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL

Posts: 1,686
iTrader: (1)

I though for sure they'd have gone for Hulk! He could have put up a bunch of points next year for them. I suppose Mal's sponsorship will float the team for the season since they just bid themselves out of driver and constructor purse money.
Anyone know how many years his contract is for? I haven't looked it up yet
__________________
Twitter: @jlstillman
Owner of MPG Autosport
954Stealth is online now   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      12-01-2013, 04:57 AM   #15
SenorFunkyPants
Colonel
 
SenorFunkyPants's Avatar
 
Drives: E92 DCT M3
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: UK

Posts: 2,251
iTrader: (0)

Sad to say but I went from a being a big Williams fan to really disliking them over the way they screwed Damon Hill in his DWC winning year. I haven't been at all saddened by their steady decline, they brought it on themselves with their arrogance.
__________________
SenorFunkyPants is offline   United Kingdom
0
Reply With Quote
      12-02-2013, 03:36 AM   #16
Nang Vann
Lieutenant Colonel
 
Nang Vann's Avatar
 
Drives: E46 M3, R35 GT-R
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Australia

Posts: 1,518
iTrader: (0)

Interesting.

Can't wait till Melbourne 2014!
Nang Vann is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      12-03-2013, 12:21 PM   #17
M_Six
Free Thinker
 
M_Six's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 MB C300 4matic
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Foothills of Mt Level

Posts: 4,807
iTrader: (0)

Garage List
Confirmed. Hulk to FI. Multi-year deal, which is good for him.
__________________
Mark
Randomography
Flickr

"The $0.99 menu was put on this Earth for a good damn reason." -Weebl
M_Six is online now   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      12-03-2013, 01:16 PM   #18
KingOfJericho
Brigadier General
 
KingOfJericho's Avatar
 
Drives: Yes
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: CT

Posts: 4,984
iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2010 135i Coupe  [2.63]
Finally a well-deserved stable seat for him. Hopefully they don't get caught flat-footed next year with all of the mechanical changes.
__________________
The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Bimmerpost.

2010 S4 Current | 2010 BMW 135i Retired | 2006 Lotus Exige Retired
KingOfJericho is online now   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      12-03-2013, 01:28 PM   #19
Castle
Second Lieutenant
 
Castle's Avatar
 
Drives: 2007 BMW 320i
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: -

Posts: 273
iTrader: (0)

I really think small teams are going to struggle next year. With all the aero, engine and the proposed new tyre rules, those without a proper simulator and wind tunnel (or the cash to rent it) are going to have a bad time. I almost think they throw in big changes once in a while to favor the big names.

As for PM to Lotus, well, it was down to the money obvoiusly. I think Perez's sponsorship was about half of Maldonado's. And it's not like Perez did a great job with a much better car. Lotus still has to pay Kimi for this whole year. I don't think 2014 is going to be too bright for Lotus, though I hope I'm wrong.
Williams will be OK for 2014, at least. They got a huge severance pay by PM's sponsor (the contract was supposed to run until 2015, I think), so with that money they have 2014 covered. After that, who knows. Specially if they struggle again in 2014.

As sad as it sounds, I think Red Bull, Ferrari, Mercedes and McLaren will dominate again with little to no chance for others, specially in the second half of the season. During the first have we might have some surprises, more so if reliability is as poor as expected for the first few races.
Castle is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      12-03-2013, 01:34 PM   #20
KingOfJericho
Brigadier General
 
KingOfJericho's Avatar
 
Drives: Yes
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: CT

Posts: 4,984
iTrader: (1)

Garage List
2010 135i Coupe  [2.63]
Ferrari and McLaren really struggled this year with relatively minor changes in the regs. I'm not sure they're much better off than the backmarkers given the clean slate approach. I don't know how a team like Ferrari or McLaren, with nearly limitless resources, could botch a season so badly.
__________________
The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Bimmerpost.

2010 S4 Current | 2010 BMW 135i Retired | 2006 Lotus Exige Retired
KingOfJericho is online now   United_States
0
Reply With Quote
      12-03-2013, 01:42 PM   #21
Castle
Second Lieutenant
 
Castle's Avatar
 
Drives: 2007 BMW 320i
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: -

Posts: 273
iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by KingOfJericho View Post
Ferrari and McLaren really struggled this year with relatively minor changes in the regs. I'm not sure they're much better off than the backmarkers given the clean slate approach. I don't know how a team like Ferrari or McLaren, with nearly limitless resources, could botch a season so badly.
Well, I think when there is very little to improve on a car after 10 years of continous improvement you can focus on small parts of the car that will give you a few millisecs, and that's it.
With a clean slate you will have to work on many parts of the car at once, fixing stuff even before improving. That's a tough task to overcome for small teams with limited resources. The big names can always hire out as many people as they see fit in order to improve their car rather quickly, the small teams have to work with what they have.
And as bad a year as Ferrari and McLaren had, they were still up there fighting almost every podium, still far from the small teams in terms or regularity.
Castle is offline  
0
Reply With Quote
      12-06-2013, 12:19 PM   #22
E90SLAM
Supreme Allied Commander
 
E90SLAM's Avatar
 
Drives: A BBS WHORE
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: .

Posts: 60,967
iTrader: (6)

Garage List
2006 330i  [4.67]
Just curious, is Maldonado got this money from bringing sponsors like PDVSA?
And is Grosjean got connection for TOTAL?

So will PDVSA replacing Total as Lotus fuel supplier/sponsor?
__________________
E90SLAM is online now   Hong Kong
0
Reply With Quote
Post Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:07 AM.




m3post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST