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      11-01-2013, 12:47 PM   #23
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In a light to light drag, torque will win the race. On the freeway to pass a car, HP wins. The n54 has far more potential for tuning. But the NA 8 cylinder in the M3 sounds MUCH better, revs better and instance response. I would choose the m3 over the n54. I even chose an N52 over an N54 just because i love NA engines.
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He would have destroyed u from a roll, but the m3 is not a roll racing car so who cares
how is an M3 not a roll racing car? Its a from a dig car?

i know the M3 is not a straight line killer, but i felt im much stronger in a race at a roll...
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      11-01-2013, 01:31 PM   #25
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He would have destroyed u from a roll, but the m3 is not a roll racing car so who cares
how is an M3 not a roll racing car? Its a from a dig car?

I know there is more to an M3 then just "drag racing" it, but i felt im much stronger in a race at a roll...
It's not a straight line car period.... Buy a c63 if u want that
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It's not a fast car, period. Get a supercharger if you want that.
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      11-01-2013, 02:46 PM   #27
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It is a fast car....look at supercars from 10-15 years ago. The e9X M3 is a very fast car. HOWEVER, compared to the insanely fast cars being released for a similar price point (c63 p31, C7, GT500, ZL1 etc), it is a bit lacking in the straight line department.

However, I totally agree...strap a blower to that lil' 4.0 V8 and you will be riding with giants (458 Italia, Z06, GTR, etc)...


...once again, assuming straight line is your only goal.
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      11-02-2013, 08:43 AM   #28
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Depending on what your looking for out of your m, you may want to get FBO and a tune. Mine is FBO with a tune and it feels just as quick as my old n54 335, which was FBO with a cobb protune. No meth or e85. I'm sure if I got e85 and/or meth my n54 would have felt faster. The m3 is a totally different animal and I don't regret changing from the 335 at all.

Also, don't buy into the hype that a n54 has terrible reliability. I had one hpfp go the first year I owned my 07' 335 and not one problem in 5 years after that. For all the abuse people throw at that little engine, the n54 handles it very very well.

As others said, get a supercharger if you really worry about it.
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      11-02-2013, 10:21 AM   #30
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So a couple days ago a guy was kind of tailing me and blowing by me as I was driving constant speed.

Came up next to him at a light with three lanes and wide open 60 mph zone road. Had a brief exchange and I asked him if he had a tune because his car seemed rather quick. He said he has stage 2 Cobb and downpipes. I don't know if you can have aftermarket downpipes with catalytic converters, but his car didn't smell like it was catless. Anyhow, everything else looked stock down to the wheels and suspension. My car had less than a quarter tank left and I had my golf clubs and an overnight bag in the back. Car has 3600 miles on the clock with pretty new contis and bone stock except for oem cf spoiler and splitters. Nothing more. No passengers in either car.

He tells me he hasn't run it against an M3. I reluctantly oblige because I really really dislike the whole red light race thing but tell him I'll run him to the speed limit and no more for obvious reasons.

I figure this will be a sub 5 second race anyway and there are no cars anywhere near us while being in a 60 zone.

We take off and judging by his immediate launch and his non jerky shifts, his car is steptronic. I did not modulate my pedal while in S5 with power button pressed and comfort suspension on the EDC. I simply hit the gas 95% of the way and then fully floored. The time it took for the clutch to fully engage 1st and take off was enough for his car to get an immediate half car jump on me. And by the time I was hitting 60 he probably had a 4/5-1 car lead on me. I figure he would have continued to walk my car if we went on to 120 or so. Would be interesting to do a rolling start though.

I remember the tuned 335i's always would roll up and try to show them they can beat you. Happened a lot when I had a stock 335is. I'm sure it validates their tune to beat a factory "tuned" N54.

Anyway, fun short "safe" race and a cool guy.
Dont you have launch control?

Golf clubs and blah blah prob had minimal to no factor. The 335 is just faster in a straight line.

That being said i remember i guy said his 335 tuned was so fast at an irvine car meet and he used to have a subie.

My evo ix on e85 completely destroyed it. But it helps to have an 11 second car (with full passengers) !

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      11-05-2013, 10:53 PM   #31
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Dont you have launch control?

Golf clubs and blah blah prob had minimal to no factor. The 335 is just faster in a straight line.

That being said i remember i guy said his 335 tuned was so fast at an irvine car meet and he used to have a subie.

My evo ix on e85 completely destroyed it. But it helps to have an 11 second car (with full passengers) !

Of course I have launch control. It's useless though, as all it does is wheel spin. I don't know why BMW bothered with this pathetic programming. Where the GT-R uses the launch control to eliminate almost all wheel slip, the BMW launch control makes it simply burn rubber freely. I don't even go there with this car.
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      11-06-2013, 01:14 AM   #32
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Dont you have launch control?

Golf clubs and blah blah prob had minimal to no factor. The 335 is just faster in a straight line.

That being said i remember i guy said his 335 tuned was so fast at an irvine car meet and he used to have a subie.

My evo ix on e85 completely destroyed it. But it helps to have an 11 second car (with full passengers) !

Of course I have launch control. It's useless though, as all it does is wheel spin. I don't know why BMW bothered with this pathetic programming. Where the GT-R uses the launch control to eliminate almost all wheel slip, the BMW launch control makes it simply burn rubber freely. I don't even go there with this car.
It doesnt hook up or use traction control like mdm does?!
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      11-30-2013, 06:44 PM   #33
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Of course I have launch control. It's useless though, as all it does is wheel spin. I don't know why BMW bothered with this pathetic programming. Where the GT-R uses the launch control to eliminate almost all wheel slip, the BMW launch control makes it simply burn rubber freely. I don't even go there with this car.
Hey Edward,

Just found this thread...

Sounds like we were the ones that had a little fun a few weeks ago. I could be wrong though on 'NC' drive?
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      12-02-2013, 05:20 PM   #34
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Hey Edward,

Just found this thread...

Sounds like we were the ones that had a little fun a few weeks ago. I could be wrong though on 'NC' drive?
Haha yea...I was in the zcp coupe in jerez black...Was my recount of the story fairly accurate? How's the car?
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      12-03-2013, 12:56 PM   #35
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Haha yea...I was in the zcp coupe in jerez black...Was my recount of the story fairly accurate? How's the car?
I'd say it was dead on, that's how I recognized it

Car's good, it feels great in this 60 degree weather, I'm sure your M feels the same. Just so you know when we ran I was running the Stage 2 in the aggressive setting. Aggressive setting requires I run approximately 3-4 gallons of 100 octane mixed with 91, bringing me to about 93.5 octane. That was a good run we had. Your M is beautiful. Those DCT's are no easy task to launch.
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      12-03-2013, 02:23 PM   #36
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I'd say it was dead on, that's how I recognized it

Car's good, it feels great in this 60 degree weather, I'm sure your M feels the same. Just so you know when we ran I was running the Stage 2 in the aggressive setting. Aggressive setting requires I run approximately 3-4 gallons of 100 octane mixed with 91, bringing me to about 93.5 octane. That was a good run we had. Your M is beautiful. Those DCT's are no easy task to launch.
While my car was chugging moonshine. Good old 91 octane with some corn on the cob thrown in for good measure lol.

Yea I don't use launch control. I find it more difficult anyway. Glad I didn't stay in it past 65 mph to see me get my rear handed to me haha.
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      12-03-2013, 04:43 PM   #37
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Cobb Stage 2 He'd have whipped you to 160 too lol. 120 wouldn't save you.

I had a BPM + intake + pulley and even then had little faith in its straight line ability.

Now get him in backwoods and you'd walk that s*, but remember his car isn't designed for the turns and yours isn't designed for going straight quickly.
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Haha ya. I effectively convinced myself that my 335is coupe was all I needed and that an M3 was slow and lacked torque and drank too much gas. Now I have an M3 too.
same, and now I have an M3
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Just switched from a 08 335i sport suspension with JB4. The M3 with M-DCT feels much heavier but handles better, and love the "S". I can't believe the torque difference between the two even without the tune. On paper the two have nearly the same but why such difference in feeling/pulling power?
My previous e36 M3 was so much more nimble and lighter than both. Just wish it had 295trq/415hp, that would be a race car!
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Cobb Stage 2 He'd have whipped you to 160 too lol. 120 wouldn't save you.

I had a BPM + intake + pulley and even then had little faith in its straight line ability.

Now get him in backwoods and you'd walk that s*, but remember his car isn't designed for the turns and yours isn't designed for going straight quickly.
This is just a ignorant post. The M3 is as straight line car as anything else. From a roll it takes out or ties c 63, rs5, is and tuned 335s. From a stop its at a disadvantage slightly because of low end torque but if you use launch control it negates most of that as it starts at 4500-5500 rpm. M3 also doesn't sway backward as much on full throttle launched and moves forward more quickly.
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I have murdered plenty of tuned 335s. Only 335 that can beat FBO M3 from roll is upgraded turbos. Meth tunes about even. When I was stock any basic tuned 335 was a breeze to beat. Once they get cat less pipes and e85 a stock M3 loses
.get cat less xpioe, tune, filter and enjoy beat down you give to tuned 335s. I have dct. That helps
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This is just a ignorant post.
LOL I guess so... Considering I put 15k on my m3 in 4 months lol I don't know about the car, or the 30k I put on a tuned 335i.. I probably don't know much about my BMS f10 m5 either

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I have murdered plenty of tuned 335s. Only 335 that can beat FBO M3 from roll is upgraded turbos.
Can you name what tunes you ran against and what bolt ons lol anyone who has a 335i knows there are TONS of tuning options and all aren't created equal.. JB4, Cobb, Dinan, ESS, etc, etc. so to say I beat a tuned 335i doesn't say much... Was it a Dinan Stage 1? BMW Power kit lol or a FBO 335i running e85 and meth and JB4 ISO.
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What's up with all these silly cat fight threads being revived of late? You don't see this type of pettyness in any other car boards. "My mustang GT with mods will beat your boss", "my Z06 will beat your supercharged GS,"
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What's up with all these silly cat fight threads being revived of late? You don't see this type of pettyness in any other car boards. "My mustang GT with mods will beat your boss", "my Z06 will beat your supercharged GS,"
I guess its a 335 thing.. Maybe it makes 335 owners feel good by saying their car can be made faster for cheaper.... I own both, and realize that they are just 2 totally different cars. No matter how fast the 3 can go, at the end of the day, its just another 3 series to me. Whereas the M just feels special to me.
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