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      12-30-2013, 04:39 PM   #23
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Very interesting info...does anyone know when we should expect the F30 LCI??
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      12-30-2013, 04:44 PM   #24
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I too want to know more about the

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All I know is this is what the new M3/M4 is based on?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I've also heard rumblings about an F80/82 or something - wonder what those will be all about .
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      12-30-2013, 04:46 PM   #26
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It's the same engine as the recently unveiled F56 Mini Cooper S, 189bhp/207lb-ft.
Good lookin' out, can't wait to see what cosmetic changes the LCI has in store.
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      12-30-2013, 04:58 PM   #27
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Very interesting info...does anyone know when we should expect the F30 LCI??
I would guess MY2015
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Nothing exciting in BMW's future, except maybe the next generation 7 Series. No Z4 Coupé and no M2.
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Need to know what B58 engine is!!
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F16, F22, B58, I <3 these model numbers.
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F16, F22, B58, I <3 these model numbers.
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The news here is:

- F30 LCI is already in the pipeline.

- All but confirmed that the 4-series Gran Coupe is a 5-door.

- No word on Z4, Z5, Z5M, M2.

- N55 finally gets its successor.
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      12-30-2013, 05:29 PM   #33
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I'm surprised that they decided to use almost the same engine for the new x5m/x6m. Sad that bmw m can't make a new engine for every new body style anymore. Also by auto, does that mean dct or just a regular automatic or both? It seems like both but just want to be 100 percent.
BMW is in the business of diversifying their model lineup as much as possible, and doing the exact opposite with their engines. Engine R&D is the majority of the expense that comes with running a car business. So you want to reduce how much money you invest in engine development, and spread that cost across as many different products as possible to offset the R&D spend.

It worked beautifully for Nissan, who for many years essentially had 4 engines for their lineup of dozens and dozens of cars (Skyline notwithstanding). The days of a bespoke engine for an ///M car are over.
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      12-30-2013, 05:31 PM   #34
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Nothing exciting in BMW's future, except maybe the next generation 7 Series. No Z4 Coupé and no M2.
Yeah, where are the SKUs for the F22M and the Z5M?
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      12-30-2013, 05:33 PM   #35
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Very interesting info...does anyone know when we should expect the F30 LCI??
Scott said that the F30 LCI will debut at the Frankfurt IAA in 2015, which means it'll hit the market in spring of 2016.
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      12-30-2013, 06:05 PM   #36
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The interesting thing about 2014 is it is all about product, product that sells , product that is established and product that will appeal to new and existing customers.

Starting with the NAIAS will be the World Premiere of the BMW M3 and M4 Coupe and the BMW 2er Coupe.

For Geneva in March we will see the launch of the BMW 4er Gran Coupe and the first FWD BMW the 2er Active Tourer.

In April will be the joint World Premiere at the NYIAS and Leipzig show in Germany of the new BMW X4 and revised BMW X3.

Leipzig will also introduce another European model.

A new Concept car will be unveiled in April prior to the Beijing Auto show this years destination for the Auto China event.

The villa d'este will see an example of further design collaboration.

Making its premiere in one of its largest markets will be the all new BMW X6 Sports Activity Coupe at the Moscow Auto show in August.

On the a Road to Paris the new 2er Cabrio will Premiere in the city of lights as will two new M models.
It would be fantastic Scott if one of those new M models is the M2.
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      12-30-2013, 06:22 PM   #37
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Any technical info on the B58?
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      12-30-2013, 06:24 PM   #38
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It would be fantastic Scott if one of those new M models is the M2.
Far too early for an M2.
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I'm so excited for these new engines!

Thanks for the info too, Scott
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      12-30-2013, 06:40 PM   #40
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... the first FWD BMW ...
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      12-30-2013, 07:13 PM   #41
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The interesting thing about 2014 is it is all about product, product that sells , product that is established and product that will appeal to new and existing customers.

Starting with the NAIAS will be the World Premiere of the BMW M3 and M4 Coupe and the BMW 2er Coupe.

For Geneva in March we will see the launch of the BMW 4er Gran Coupe and the first FWD BMW the 2er Active Tourer.

In April will be the joint World Premiere at the NYIAS and Leipzig show in Germany of the new BMW X4 and revised BMW X3.

Leipzig will also introduce another European model.

A new Concept car will be unveiled in April prior to the Beijing Auto show this years destination for the Auto China event.

The villa d'este will see an example of further design collaboration.

Making its premiere in one of its largest markets will be the all new BMW X6 Sports Activity Coupe at the Moscow Auto show in August.

On the a Road to Paris the new 2er Cabrio will Premiere in the city of lights as will two new M models.
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Scott, You keep seeking new customers, but your not pleasing the customers you've had for 25+ years. Whom have been leaving the brand because you won't listen.


Frustrating, that YOU offer a BMW hatch back, & wagons elsewhere, but no such thing exists in united states. So, the BMW portfolio is not complete here and when you sit on that side of the ocean telling us what we need, it becomes a problematic lie. I see the BMW portfolio cluttered and too spread out, not delivering anything whole, just bits & pieces of options that are best fit, instead of exact fit. There use to be a time, that no matter what BMW it was, I loved it/them. I would've taken any of the cars BMW made 20 years ago. Today that is much different, I wouldn't want to own hardly any of the cars BMW makes today save a few notable ones. So muddled.

IMO; Utter lack of focus on the customer. More focus was being paid to non-customers, than customers and it shows.



Lastly, I really hope the M2 is a work of art, otherwise I moving to a brand that has value to me. Problem is, there is no M2, no picture of an M2 and only the dangling carrot of an M2 in three years time. THREE YEARS!

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      12-30-2013, 07:46 PM   #42
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I wouldn't hope too much from the M2. This car is one of the best that BMW could build during the next years but they will probably wreck it using a 4 pot in it....
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      12-30-2013, 08:08 PM   #43
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The interesting thing about 2014 is it is all about product, product that sells , product that is established and product that will appeal to new and existing customers.
It pains me whenever I hear someone inside of a car company refer to its cars as 'products'. It makes me wonder if it looks at its cars with no more fervor than its golf bags.

BMW is being diluted at an incredibly rapid pace.

It looks like I might be in the market for a new car next year, and for the first time since 1997 I'm looking outside of BMW.
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      12-30-2013, 08:13 PM   #44
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The X1 is outselling the F31 by a considerable margin. The new X1 arrives around the same time as the LCI F31. Expect a shift in priorities.
You don't think the $9000 price difference is affecting sales of the wagon?

Not really a fair comparison
Almost every BMW model sold in the states outsells the Z4, but its still available for sale no?
If it was about shifting priorities, then it would make sense to stop selling the Z4.
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